2024-10-29 01:16:21
“Bembo is a serif typeface created by the British branch of the Monotype Corporation in 1928–1929 and most commonly used for body text. It is a member of the ‘old-style’ of serif fonts, with its regular or roman style based on a design cut around 1495 by Francesco Griffo for Venetian printer Aldus Manutius, sometimes generically called the ‘Aldine roman’. Bembo is named for Manutius’s first publication with it, a small 1496 book by the poet and cleric Pietro Bembo.”
Bop Spotter — “I installed a box high up on a pole somewhere in the Mission. Inside is a crappy Android phone, set to Shazam constantly, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It’s solar powered, and the mic is pointed down at the street below”
Nightshade allergy thread AKA “HOW I FIXED MY BRAIN FOG. 
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Packy McCormick: What Do You Do With an Idea?
I’ve noticed a common refrain speaking with founders building physical things:
“This is an old idea, actually, from the…”
I interrupt, a shit-eating, Cheshire grin spreading across my face: “1950s or 1960s, right?”
Right, they say, adding some specific variant like, “It’s from a 1958 paper.”
But the paper was obscure, or Soviet, or the idea wasn’t technically possible or economically feasible with the tools of the day. So it collected dust, forgotten and waiting to be rediscovered.
Good ideas aren’t getting harder to find. We just need to use the ones we have.
Most meteorites traced to three space crackups
It Is Now Legal to Hack McFlurry Machines (and Medical Devices) to Fix Them
ExFatloss TEE & Macro Calculator — For all your macro triangle diagram needs:
Visakan Veerasamy: straight outta tartarus
The genius of the game to me is that losing is part of the process. … I feel like I learned something about myself and about life from playing Hades. The game encourages you and teaches you persistence. It teaches you to cultivate equanimity in the face of failure. And it teaches you to learn from your experience.
“caterpillars that change color to imitate the background (even when blindfolded)” h/t Stuart Buck
Mood Tracking Google Sheet (via nvpkp)
Eli Dourado: Cargo airships are happening
Reddit: Wife’s migraines reduced by 90% and I feel like a jackass via paularambles
First report on quality and purity evaluations of avocado oil sold in the US (h/t ExFatLoss)
Our results showed that the majority of commercial samples were oxidized before reaching the expiration date listed on the bottle. In addition, adulteration with soybean oil at levels near 100% was confirmed in two “extra virgin” and one “refined” sample.
It’s Time to Build the Exoplanet Telescope
Nehaveigur: Ice Cream for Lunch — and in case you didn’t know about earlier ice cream eating adventures, try the 2017 Man Loses 32 Pounds Eating Only Ice Cream for 100 Days
Reddit: r/obscurePDFs
“Rose Freistater … was an American schoolteacher who rose to prominence in the 1930s when she was denied a teacher’s license in New York for being overweight.” More detail here, specifically:
in 1931, Rose stood five feet and two inches and weighed 182 pounds [BMI 33.3]. When she applied for her teaching license that year, she weighed thirty pounds more than the maximum weight allowed by the Board for her height. She was given six months to lose thirty pounds; when she lost only twenty in that time, she was rejected by the Board altogether.
Gassing Satartia: Carbon Dioxide Pipeline Linked To Mass Poisoning
I can smell “the flu” : r/RandomThoughts h/t Collin Lysford
ExFatLoss: Why I stopped Grounding. Good jokes overall but missed a chance to make a “you’re grounded” joke.
Speaking of which, while grounding as a practice may not be real, it is probably less crazy than it sounds:
Over the past decade, Robert has built a body of work that reveals the many ways insects and arachnids use and experience static. Ticks jump, spiders balloon, bees sense the negative charge of a flower recently visited by another positively charged bee. He even found that the charged relationship between air and insects goes both ways: Honeybee swarms shed so many negative charges that they alter the electrical gradient around them. Based on Robert’s estimates, the atmospheric charge resulting from a swarm of desert locusts rivals that of clouds and electrical storms.
James Bailey: Data Heroes
Organizations often do great work collecting data, but then share it in ways that are hard to access or understand, or require all users to repeat hours of cleaning to make the data usable. Sometimes a data hero comes along to share their own improved version that is cleaned and easier to access and understand. Here I share links to some of these “most-improved” datasets.
New preprint from economist Tyler Ransom: Are Vegetable Seed Oils Fueling the Obesity Epidemic?
Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass: The Martians and Their Schooling
Maxwell Tabarrok: Unions are Trusts
The only way to get stably higher union pay is through monopolization. Unions need to get most or all producers of labor in a market to act together and fix their prices at a high level. That way, the consumers of labor have no other option but to accept lower output and pay higher prices.
This is a monopoly or trust in exactly the same way as when US Steel, Carnegie Steel, and Federal Steel all agree to set their prices high, forcing customers to pay more. If you think that goods sellers colluding to set prices is bad, then you should think that service sellers colluding to set prices is also bad.
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Restrictions of commerce are fine when they benefit the needy and punish the greedy. Insofar as this is the case, we can do better to improve the lives of those who need it most than by supporting labor unions.
Venkatesh Rao: The New Systems of Survival
Collin Lysford: The Fractal Ratchet — Many interesting things in this piece, but one that’s unusual and distinctive: it’s often possible to make a strong *ordinal* argument (this thing is hotter/faster/less dangerous than the other thing) even when you can’t provide numerical measurements. This seems important because people often (mistakenly) assume that in the absence of precise numerical measurements, it’s not possible to make ordinal arguments. But in fact you need neither precision nor numbers!
You’ve probably heard this one, but apparently it’s not true. COW vs BEEF: Busting the Biggest Myth in Linguistic History.
METREP: 16lbs of fat loss & 2.5 months later on the potato diet
Medieval Sourcebook: The Trial of Joan of Arc
Asked if she knows she is in God’s grace, she answered: “If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep me. I should be the saddest creature in the world if I knew I were not in His grace.” She added, if she were in a state of sin, she did not think that the voice would come to her; and she wished every one could hear the voice as well as she did. She thought she was about thirteen when the voice came to her for the first time.
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Asked if she had her sword when she was taken, she answered no; but she had one which had been taken from a Burgundian. … from Lagny to Compiègne she had worn the Burgundian’s sword, which was a good weapon for fighting, excellent for giving hard clouts and buffets (in French “de bonnes buffes et de bons torchons”).
Niko McCarty: Estimating the Size of a Single Molecule
I love this story because it shows, at least anecdotally, how deep scientific insights can emerge from the simplest of experiments. It’s a testament to the idea that you don’t always need sophisticated equipment to unlock the secrets of nature — sometimes, all it takes is a drop of oil and a bit of ingenuity.
Richard Ngo: Why I’m not a Bayesian
Where does this leave us? We’ve traded the crisp, mathematically elegant Bayesian formalism for fuzzy truth-values that, while intuitively compelling, we can’t define even in principle. But I’d rather be vaguely right than precisely wrong. Because it focuses on propositions which are each (almost entirely) true or false, Bayesianism is actively misleading in domains where reasoning well requires constructing and evaluating sophisticated models (i.e. most of them).
Claire L. Evans: What’s a Brain?
Zen & the art of the Macintosh : discoveries on the path to computer enlightenment
2024-10-25 03:06:11
Do you remember the opening line of 2001 cult classic Donnie Darko? That’s right, it’s “I’m voting for Dukakis.”
Donnie Darko is set on the eve of the presidential election of 1988, where Texas Republican George H. W. Bush faced off against Massachusetts Democrat Michael Dukakis, eventually winning in a landslide.
The movie opens on the morning of October 1st, 1988. The first mention of the election is during the dinner scene that night, when Elizabeth Darko drops the opening line.
That night, Donnie’s father is watching a rerun of the presidential debate. This must be the debate that happened on Sunday, September 25, 1988, because the other presidential debate wouldn’t happen until October 13th. Father Darko is not impressed. “Dukakis,” he mutters, “son of a bitch.”
Around midnight, so now October 2nd, Donnie gets up and wanders downstairs. His father has fallen asleep in the living room. The national anthem is playing through extreme static as Donnie goes outside.
When Donnie closes the tangent universe and accepts his death, in the main universe the TV is still set on static, but it is not playing the national anthem.
(If you want the movie to make sense, we strongly recommend the Director’s Cut.)
The next mention of the election comes when Father is driving Donnie to his therapist. Under the Milky Way by The Church is playing on the radio. Donnie’s father turns it to a news station that’s talking about the election. “What people don’t understand about this upcoming election,” says a man on the air, “is that Michael Dukakis does not have the financial infrastructure in place to defe—” Donnie changes it back.
However, whatever ChatGPT may tell you, there is no Dukakis bumper sticker in this movie. Don’t believe its lies.
The last explicit mention of Dukakis is when his name appears on the kitchen whiteboard, during a scene where Donnie and the boys are watching a football game. This happens just before Donnie acquires the gun.
There’s a guy in a Ronald Reagan mask at the Halloween party. He bounces on the trampoline. And H. W. Bush appears briefly in Donnie’s eyes as he leaves the party.
Also, Actress Drew Barrymore, who plays English teacher Karen Pomeroy (and also financed the film), personally met President Ronald Reagan in October, 1984. Here’s a photo of the two of them together:
Around midnight on October 2nd, Frank tells Donnie that the world will end in 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds. This may be a reference to the sidereal month, which is 27 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 11.6 seconds, each value off by exactly one.
This puts the time for the end of the world at around 7 AM on October 30th.
This does not coincide with two interesting events. First of all, it does not coincide with Halloween, which is on October 31st. The fact that the Darko kids hold a Halloween party confuses many people, but this was probably held on Saturday the 29th. The 31st wouldn’t have worked because it was a Monday, and everyone would have had school.
Second, it does not coincide with the presidential election. Election day in 1988 was on November 8th. Donnie’s universe ends 9 days before this.
Still, it’s hard not to conclude that the events of the film spiritually coincide with both events.
2024-10-10 03:31:20
For many people, eating a diet of nothing but potatoes (or almost nothing but potatoes) causes quick, effortless weight loss. It’s not a matter of white-knuckling through a boring diet — people eat as much (potato) as they want, and at the end of a month of spuds they say things like, “I was quite surprised that I didn’t get tired of potatoes. I still love them, maybe even more so than usual?!” And some people lose a similar amount even when eating only 50% potato.
Why the hell does this happen? Well, there are many theories. To help get a sense of which theories are plausible, try to find some boundary conditions, or just more randomly explore the diet-space, we decided to run a Potato Diet Riff Trial.
In this study, people volunteer to try different variations on the potato diet for at least one month and let us know how it goes. For example, they might eat nothing but potatoes and always cook their potatoes in olive oil. Or they might eat nothing but potatoes and leafy greens. Or they might eat nothing but potatoes but always eat their potatoes with ketchup.
The hope is that this will help us figure out if there are other factors that slow, stop, or perhaps even accelerate the rate of weight loss we saw on the full potato diet. This will get us closer to figuring out why potatoes cause weight loss in the first place, and might get us closer to curing obesity. We might also discover a new version of the diet that is easier to stick to, or causes more weight loss, or both.
In the first two months after launching the riff trial, we heard back from ten riffs. Those results are described in the First Potato Riffs Report. Generally speaking, we learned that Potatoes + Dairy seems to work just fine, at least for some people, and we saw more evidence against the mono-diet and palatability hypotheses.
Between January 5th and March 18th, 2024, we heard back from an additional seventeen riffs. Those results are described in the Second Potato Riffs Report. Generally speaking, we learned that Potatoes + Dairy still seems to work just fine. Adding other vegetables may have slowed progress, and the protein results were mixed. However, the Potatoes + Skittles riff was an enormous success.
Since then, we’ve heard back from 11 new riffs. (Specifically, these are the riffs we heard back from between March 18th and October 9th, 2024.)
A few riffs are ongoing, but signups have slowed to a crawl. So while there may be a few more riff trial results in your future, signups are now closed. We may do more potato diet studies in the future, perhaps even another riff trial, but we are going to wrap this one up for now. Expect a final riffs retrospective around January 2025.
But let’s see what we’ve learned so far. First we’ll review the overall results, and talk about our interpretation. Then, at the end we’ve included the actual riff proposals and reports from all 11 participants in an appendix, if you want to read about them in more detail.
Unless otherwise indicated, weight loss numbers are over a period of about 28 days, comparable to the original Potato Diet Community Trial.
Participant 07566174 ate “Potato plus a bit of dairy, ice cream for a treat”. At the end they said, “overall very successful despite rampant cheating!” and you know what, that’s entirely right:
In this case, cheating wasn’t “take a day-long break from eating potatoes”, instead it meant more like “ate less than 100% potato”. For example, one cheat day entry said: “Had some cake, and a couple chocolates. Otherwise, potato. Plus a beer instead of ice cream.”
This participant actually gave us six weeks of data, here is the longer chart:
Participant 28818306 took to the true spirit of the riffs trials, “trying to combine what looks like working riffs (potatoes + dairy + lentils)” along with adding “some lettuce to the mix to see if it keeps working”.
This worked ok. “It went well in the first 2 weeks,” 28818306 reported, “the other 2 were kind of slow, and harder to follow.”
Participant 92679541 did a riff of potatoes + oil + dairy (mainly cream and butter), with a more casual protocol and cheating most days, but had to stop the diet early. Despite all this, he lost a couple of pounds:
Participant 97027526 did a riff starting with potatoes plus butter, ghee and spices, and added raclette cheese after a few days.
Chalk another one up for the potato diet making people fall even deeper in love with potatoes: “I discovered I LOVE baked potatoes (first cooked in the microwave then finished off in the oven to crispen them up) and over 70% of my potatoes were cooked like that. … I am surprised that after four weeks I still really like potatoes! I’m going to continue with the potatoes for a while”.
She lost exactly 10 pounds over 28 days:
We then later received an update, where she said, “I am almost at the end of 8 weeks and still going strong. … My diet now exclusively consists of baked potatoes, butter, salt (a few pinches once a day), pepper and sometimes garam masala. … I’m not nearly as hungry as I used to be.”
Between Day 1 and Day 53, she lost a total of 15.9 pounds:
Several people tried riffs that aimed for the most classic meat & potatoes.
50108266 and 20953986 are a husband and wife team who started with the plain potato diet then added organ-based meat. Their full protocol was a bit complicated, see the appendix for more detail.
The results: Two weeks of just potatoes, “lost weight, but hated it”. Two weeks of potatoes + organ meat, “lost less weight, enjoyed much more. We will keep going.” It’s interesting that such a small change could so strongly affect their perceived enjoyment of the diet, especially while not strongly affecting how quickly they lost weight.
54084282 said, “I feel a diet that I could stick to for 30 days would be potato, bacon, black coffee, and Guinness. The bacon would help supplement fat and protein missing from the potatoes and reduce the need for extra seasonings. The coffee and Guinness are mostly for personal preference.”
Thirty days later, we got this update: “I have modified from my original riff! I’d characterize my current plan as fermented food/drinks + potatoes, along with a serving or two of protein daily. It is resulting in steady weight loss while alleviating the bloating and unpleasant constipation feeling that I experienced initially. I have lost about 5 pounds this month while feeling generally satisfied and still surprisingly not tired of potatoes. Only real remaining issue is eating out. I just cannot bring myself to order only French fries for a meal (especially around the kids). I just cheat in those situations but still manage to steadily drop weight, lol.”
Checking the data now, we see that 54084282 kept recording data up to day 58, and continued the trend of losing weight:
83842317 says, “potato + meat (chicken, beef, pork, fish)”. Then after the diet, “The convenience of eating tater tots, hash browns, chips, fries, and meat has been very easy and I’ll be sticking to it”.
There was no weight entry for Day 29, so here’s 83842317’s data up to the last weight entry on Day 34:
Participant 22179922 did a riff she came to call “potatoes and cows”, starting with potatoes and ramping up to first include dairy and then include other animal products (see appendix for full details).
Two people did riffs that sort of involved chocolate.
59960254 did something like “Potatoes with Fire in a Bottle Characteristics”, meaning potatoes and a small amount of fat from sources like butter, tallow, coconut, cacao, etc. and also including fruit, honey, dates, and dark chocolate. This lead to a weight loss of exactly 10 lbs by Day 29:
We actually have 12 weeks of data from this participant, here is the longer version. The fluctuations in the middle are a sad story that have little to do with the diet itself; his cat got sick around the three week mark.
95078099 followed a riff of “potato + soy products + chocolate”. Note that he started off quite lean, with a BMI of around 20, but that “this is the result of a long, hard calorie restriction. My personal aim is not to lose weight, but to keep the weight down. If I stay at the same weight, and not drift up by a few pounds, I’d consider that a success!” So in this case the question is not really whether 95078099 can lose weight on the potato diet, but whether he can maintain weight on the potato diet without calorie restriction.
Ultimately, 95078099 lost 1.5 lbs between the first and the last measurement over four weeks. But based on the moving average, he concludes, “for myself, and for the purpose of keeping my weight down, I’d consider my potato riff ineffective.” See the appendix for a lot more detail, including additional charts with several years of data.
Previously, participant 22293376 tried a Potatoes + Skittles riff, and was “astonished at just how well it went.” Here are those original results:
This was in January 2024. By July, he had started gaining weight and decided to do a second run of the riff, with some minor changes. This time it was potatoes plus: butter, oil, sweet potatoes, “low-calorie vegetables (onions, peppers, broccoli, green chile, etc.)”, and “skittles (in moderation)”. And for this second round, the results look like this:
22293376 says, “I generally didn’t eat more than 20-30 skittles a day, and sometimes none. I don’t really recommend eating skittles-only meals but you do you!” Also check out the appendix for more detail on this riff.
As before, Potatoes + Dairy seems to work for many people, and it seems quite resistant to cheating. Every Potatoes + Dairy riff in this roundup lost some weight, and some lost as much as 10 lbs.
People lost some weight on different versions of Potatoes + Meats, but this seems to be inconsistent. It’s possible that the kind of meat, or its origin, could make a difference.
“Potatoes with Fire in a Bottle Characteristics” worked quite well. While the sample size is only one, it’s a nice proof of concept. These various fats and sweets don’t seem to interfere at all with the potato effect, at least not for this participant.
It’s also wonderful to have a skittles replication. The results are still from the same person, which means we can’t be sure if it will work equally well for other people, but it’s nice to see that this can happen twice. And it’s certainly more evidence against the idea that the potato effect is purely the result of cutting out processed foods and sweets. If sweets were always a potato-effect-killer, they would have stopped the effect here. They didn’t, so they aren’t.
Of course, we’d love to see replications from other people too. So if you’ve been on the fence, consider trying potatoes + skittles.
If so, please let us know how it goes! But it will have to be your own self-experiment, because as mentioned above, signups for the riff trial are closed. Expect a final report and a retrospective some time around January 2025.
Potato plus a bit of dairy, ice cream for a treat
Hello,
I’m emailing to share results after 6 ish weeks of potato diet. Overall very successful despite rampant cheating! I’ll be continuing for a few weeks more.
I’m trying to combine what looks like working riffs (potatoes + dairy + lentils) and add some lettuce to the mix to see if it keeps working and makes it “healthier” (at least according to my wife :-))
Hi just wanted to let you know that I ended the 4 week of the potato riff trial.
It went well in the first 2 weeks, the other 2 were kind of slow, and harder to follow.
My diet consisted of a lentils burrito for breakfast (lentils flat bread + cooked lentils as filling + cheese). A mix of baked potatoes + cheese during the rest of the day. I tried to keep it mostly potatoes and use cheese for variety or as a snack.
I usually cooked 2 big batches of potatoes every week and I reheated them on a pan with a bit of olive oil.
I happened to take a blood test at the end of the diet and notice a drop in a few markers.
I’ve attached 2 pdfs. One is the most recent and another was 6 months before for comparison.
You can use them in your posts if you anonymize them.
They were translated by AI but look ok
Cheers
My plan is potatoes + oil + dairy (mainly cream and butter)
I’m stopping the diet early (after two weeks). I ended up doing a *very* loose protocol – basically potatoes + anything that would be fine on Keto (i.e. potatoes intended to be basically my only carb). As you can see from my entries, I cheated most days, typically with sweets, for which I experienced really wild cravings. I am down ~ a couple of pounds from my first weigh in.
Not 100% decided yet! Perhaps potato + butter/ghee + spices or potato + butter/ghee + cheese + spices. Planning to do this with another person in my household. We intend to do this just for 4 weeks but if it is going really well and I don’t find it difficult I may continue for another few weeks
Dear Slimemold Timemold team,
August:
I’ve just found the below updates in my drafts from months ago. Not sure if it’s still interesting, but I did eat the potatoes! I ended up going back to my normal diet and I am almost back to my starting weight now. Thinking of giving it another go in September.
February:
I saw your latest potato riffs article today and when I didn’t see my own results there I realised I forgot to send you the following email almost a month ago when I completed the four weeks… So here it is:
Note from the end of the first four weeks
I have completed the four weeks!
I initially planned to do potatoes plus butter, ghee and spices but ended up adding cheese after a few days. This added a bit of interest and I think made me more likely to comply with the diet. I am exclusively eating raclette cheese (a Swiss cheese normally eaten with potatoes). The first two or three days were a bit tough, but after that I had no problems. I discovered I LOVE baked potatoes (first cooked in the microwave then finished off in the oven to crispen them up) and over 70% of my potatoes were cooked like that. After reading about the increased resistant starch in cooled potatoes I decided to cook potatoes the day before. I only managed this sometimes so about 40%-50% of potatoes were pre-cooled. At the start of the diet I ate lots of spices on my potatoes (home ground garam masala and chili flakes) but as time goes on I find myself satisfied with butter and sometimes salt as flavourings.
I am surprised that after four weeks I still really like potatoes! I’m going to continue with the potatoes for a while (probably another 2 weeks maybe another 4) and will keep using the spreadsheet in case that’s useful.
Update from 21/03/2024
I am almost at the end of 8 weeks and still going strong. I have removed the cheese because I suspected it was behind some bowl complaints. No complaints since I stopped the cheese. My diet now exclusively consists of baked potatoes, butter, salt (a few pinches once a day), pepper and sometimes garam masala. Potatoes are about 60% pre-cooled 40% freshly cooked. I’m not nearly as hungry as I used to be.
Thanks for organising!
Hi!
We are planning to participate in a trial with my husband / wife. So, there will be two very similar applications. [SMTM’s note: as indeed there were!]
We want to start with the plain potato diet and then add organ-based meat to it.
Reasoning includes personal preferences and curiosity about BCAA and PUFA theories.
Our current diet is 70% “Steak and Salad,” “Fish and Salad,” or “Plain Yogurt, Steak and Salad.” Some days, we binge on processed sugary sweets, then do steak and salad again. Our main dietary sacrifice is starch. And despite most of the time having a “colorful and diverse plate,” straight from the dietary recommendations brochure cover, we both consistently gain weight. So now we want to try to revert our diet.
We both search for dopamine in food and have difficulties fighting cravings, so as a second ingredient, we need something we will be very interested in. We had two main candidates – something sweet or something meaty.
The results of the Potatoes + Beef riff were not good, and we already know that eating lots of beef doesn’t work for us either. So we had to find meat we like, but don’t eat often. In our case, it’s the organ-based meat. It is common in our home cultures but is absolutely not popular in the country where we live now. So, we did not eat organs and bones for a long time, but we used to eat them when we were thinner. And we really miss it, so it makes us excited.
Regarding the PUFA theory: to be consistent, we had to decide which type of fat to use for frying the potatoes. We decided to go with butter and leave seed oils aside.
The plan is the following:
1. We start with the 2 weeks plain potato diet
– We eat potatoes of all available types and in all forms, ad libitum
– We season the potatoes to make them tasty. It includes adding salt, garlic, different peppers, fresh dill. If the potatoes stop being tasty, we try to add something else in controlled amounts – parsley, soy sauce etc.
– We fry with butter, preferably ghee. We don’t cook with seed oils during the diet.
– We may eat restaurant fries, which probably will be cooked with seed oils, but we don’t make it the main part of our diet
– We may eat store-bought chips, but we don’t make it the main part of our diet
2. We drink our usual amounts of water, tea, Coke Zero, and coffee, but we don’t add milk to our coffee anymore.
3. We do our cheat meals on weekend breakfasts. Usually, it’s some kind of “balanced European breakfast” – avocado, egg, toast with butter and cheese, smoked salmon, croissant, orange juice
4. We keep taking the supplements we are used to take, which are
Wife’s case
Lion’s mane – 2500 mg
Vitamin B complex (includes 50 mcg B12)
CoQ10 – 200 mg
Liposomal vitamin C – 500 mg
Saw Palmetto – 500 mg
Myo-inositol – 1000 mg
Husband’s case
Lion’s mane – 2500 mg
Vitamin B complex (includes 50 mcg B12)
CoQ10 – 200 mg
Liposomal vitamin C – 500 mg
5. We stop taking
Omega 369 – 500 mg – Because it’s seed-oil based
Kalium-Magnesium Citraat – 270 mg – Because we increase potassium intake with the potatoes
6. We keep taking prescribed medications
Wife: I don’t have any
Husband: Fluoxetine
7. We follow the second 2 weeks by adding the protein but trying to keep it on the low-BCAA side. It will be beef and chicken:
– Bone broth
– Tongue
– Liver
– Heart
– Stomach
– Intestine
– Kidney
– Other organs we may find in the shop
– But not the muscle meat
8. We also intend to try to add the third component to the diet or change the component after 4 weeks, depending on the results of the first weeks.
We, 50108266 and 20953986, did it. Here is our report!
TLDR
2 weeks potatoes – lost weight, but hated it
2 weeks potatoes + organs meat – lost less weight, enjoyed much more. We will keep going.
Report
We live in the Netherlands, another country of lean people (16% obesity rate) whose diet contains a significant share of bread and potatoes. The potato part of the diet was easy to organize, as there are tons of potato options in the supermarket, and french fries are available in any restaurant. For the first week, we bought as many options as possible – different brands of potatoes sliced for fries, more starchy and less starchy potatoes for baking and boiling, and potatoes sliced and mixed with various spices.
We ended up with a pretty stable diet. For breakfast, we ate air-fried fries. For lunch, we baked potatoes in the oven with their shells and seasoned them with salt, garlic, dill, and butter. For dinner, we baked potatoes again or boiled potatoes with the same seasoning. Usually, after dinner, we had one more snack with store-bought chips.
The first week was especially difficult, as we were constantly bloated, constipated, dehydrated, and hungry. We were eating smaller volumes than we were used to, feeling satiated by the meal’s end but also hungry shortly after. Because of our diet mood, on the first days, we were hesitant to eat more; also, despite our hunger, potatoes were not attractive enough to get up and cook some. Some nights, I was struggling to fall asleep because of growling hunger mixed with a heavy feeling of being bloated. Some nights, we were binge-eating a big pack of chips per person.
We both felt we were not losing enough weight for such a struggle. We both have experienced losing significant amounts of weight with calorie-restricted low-carb diets, and we both felt that “at that time we were losing more weight and faster.” However, I have weight records for myself for those times, and actually, weight-loss speed in absolute amounts was the same.
The second week was easier as we found preferred options and ate more boiled potatoes. In the middle of the second week, 20953986 started to add a little bit of mayonnaise “for the taste.” It’s an interesting choice, as he usually is a hot sauce person. Maybe mayonnaise was easier to reach, or perhaps he was attracted to protein in it. For me, 50108266, the smell of eggs in mayonnaise was extremely tempting, and I spent the whole 12th evening thinking about eggs obsessively. On the 13th day, I also accidentally felt sick at night, like I had food poisoning or a stomach bug; both are not common to me.
On the morning of the 15th day, 20953986 almost cried over his morning potatoes because he was hungry and disgusted at the same time.
I learned that I could not predict how much weight I was losing. I could not explain my weight fluctuations with bowel movements, water loss, water intake, or menstrual period. I also could not correlate how swollen I was with my weight. However, 20953986 sees the correlation between his bowel movements and weight. I also tried to find a correlation between weight loss and hunger and weight loss and eating processed foods. I was expecting to lose more weight after sleeping hungry, and less weight after eating a full pack of chips, but neither I nor 20953986 found such correlations for ourselves.
In the third week, we started with organs. Organ meat is not typical in Dutch culture but quite common in Turkish and Russian, so we love it and know how to cook it. We added pork liver sausage to our air-fried fries breakfast. For lunch, we usually had boiled beef tongue with boiled or baked potatoes. For dinner, we had either soup with chicken hearts, potatoes, and bone broth or fried beef liver with fries. The grilled liver was also relatively easy to find in Greek and Turkish restaurants, so we had quite a lot of it. We also tried kidneys and thymus, but we did not like them.
In the third week, our weight fluctuated in an unusual way. On the 15th day, the first day of the organ diet, I developed symptoms of an ear infection (even more unusual to me than a stomach bug) that lasted until the 17th day. On the 16th morning, I got +1 kg (2.2 lbs); on the 17th morning, my weight was the same, and after the infection symptoms were gone, my weight rapidly dropped. But the resulting weight loss in the third week was still a pitiful 0,7 kg (1.43 lbs). I assume the reason for the weight gain was an infection, but it could also be a change in the diet or a change in our cheating routine. On that day, we had our planned cheat moment, but because of how depressed 20953986 was, instead of cheat breakfast, we had cheat lunch, which, in my case, contained grilled chicken breast, bread, and yogurt mixed with spices.
20953986 also did not lose much weight that week, but he gained weight not at the beginning of the week, like me, but on the weekend. He also had a sick moment, but it was a chronic muscular pain problem that most possibly had nothing to do with the diet and weight.
On his rolling average graph, we see that there is no actual change in the weight loss velocity.
The fourth week was easy and enjoyable. We never felt too hungry, did not suffer from digestion problems, and got our second-best weight loss results in the four weeks.
The only thing that we noticed was a craving for vegetables and greens.
At the end of the report, I want to mention the cheat days. We were cheating on weekend breakfasts, as it is an important ritual for both of us. We went (except for one time that I mentioned) to the regular places where we go for breakfast; we always had several latte macchiatos and some kind of an assorted breakfast platter with greens, eggs, savory sandwiches, and pastry (you can imagine continental breakfast or Turkish breakfast). I noticed several things for myself that, however, did not work for 20953986:
Because of this observation, we want to try some experiments around it. Considering that we are limited with our habits and working week, we can’t change much, but our current intention is to keep the same diet and try different times of the day on weekends for the cheat meals, which will also lead to different cheat foods. I am open to suggestions.
I’ve recently been experimenting with potato dishes in anticipation of trying a potato diet to lose some weight I’ve gained in the past few years. I feel a diet that I could stick to for 30 days would be potato, bacon, black coffee, and Guinness. The bacon would help supplement fat and protein missing from the potatoes and reduce the need for extra seasonings. The coffee and Guinness are mostly for personal preference but also helps supplement nutrition. I plan to also use a variety of potatoes, including sweet and red with peel on.
It’s now 30 days, just checking in but I plan to continue on my potato riff. I still hope to make it down to 135 lbs 
I have modified from my original riff! I’d characterize my current plan as fermented food/drinks + potatoes, along with a serving or two of protein daily. It is resulting in steady weight loss while alleviating the bloating and unpleasant constipation feeling that I experienced initially.
I have lost about 5 pounds this month while feeling generally satisfied and still surprisingly not tired of potatoes. Only real remaining issue is eating out. I just cannot bring myself to order only French fries for a meal (especially around the kids). I just cheat in those situations but still manage to steadily drop weight, lol. Thanks for bringing this diet to my attention, it’s been good to me!
potato + meat (chicken, beef, pork, fish). I had energy on the last round, but lacked the energy to continue heavy strength training and had to give up lifting the last two weeks. I’d like to see if having meat occasionally can help with recovery and keep my strength and training regimen up while losing weight.
Done.
The convenience of eating tater tots, hash browns, chips, fries, and meat has been very easy and I’ll be sticking to it out of mostly convenience. I’ll add in vegetables for other nutrients, but psychologically I haven’t craved variety in my diet for several years, and the convenience is unbeatable. All I need is a reliable option when traveling.
I am primarily interested in learning more about how keto interacts with potatoes.
History: About a decade ago I lost weight, and kept it off, with keto (note: a sort of meat and veg keto, elements of paleo and Mediterranean, more butter and animal fats than vegetable oils, and lots of intermittent fasting). I felt great, and it removed the constant hunger that I didn’t even know I had (a commenter on your blog called it the Hunger). I then gained quite a bit of weight due to a high stress situation in 2020, and for various reasons (pregnancy, breast-feeding, loss of gall-bladder) have been unwilling to go back to that diet until now. Also my ancestors would have eaten a lot of potatoes and dairy, and it seemed to work for them.
Current situation: I need to lose 10-20 kg. I am still breastfeeding, and thus need more nutrients (particularly protein) than average. I also am often low on iron. There may be another pregnancy in my future, so I would like to lose this weight fast.
Riff: I will start with potatoes, dairy, salt, and spices at libitum for two weeks (to see whether potatoes works for me, and to put the diet most likely to work up front). I will then add in some animal products (especially fat, stock, and liver from beef, pork, lamb) for another two weeks.
After the four weeks are up, I would like to try alternating two weeks keto (as described above) with two weeks potato (potatoes + dairy + animal products) for as long as I need to (possibly two months).
If I become pregnant again, I would like to try keto + potatoes (at the same time, rather than alternating). I’m wary of doing any extreme diet during pregnancy in case hormones/epigenetics/etc affect the baby. However putting these two extreme diets together makes a diet that doesn’t seem extreme at all.
Hello SMTM,
Participant number: 22179922
Riff: potatoes and cows (I think I called it something else when I first
pitched it, but this name is better).
I have finished the first four weeks of my riff. I intend to keep
going, but I’m sending you my interim report now. I’m not sure whether
you want to publish it now, or when I finish for good, or both, or
neither, but I’m at least sending you the interim report now since I
intend to keep going for the foreseeable future. It’s in txt format so
it’s easier for you to turn into whatever format you need, with whatever
formatting is required.
I’ve included some information in the report about my dieting history,
for context. I’ve also included my conclusions about obesity and weight
loss in general to get a better idea of how I felt over the course of
this diet and how it shaped my opinions. Should you prefer, you may
publish my report without those sections, but I’ve included them for
context; and as a reader I’d like to read similar things from others.
Participant number: 22179922
Riff: Potatoes and cows
*The Riff*
I like dairy, so wanted to do potatoes + dairy. Aiming for potatoes garnished with dairy, rather than 50-50. But I am currently breastfeed and thus may need more protein than usual, as well as other micronutrients, so I decided to add in animal products too. I’ve heard rumours about too much protein, so I decided to focus on things like stock, fat, liver, and only eat flesh if I felt a craving for it. I’ve also been reading about seed oils recently, so I decided to focus on beef and lamb (yes, I know lamb is not from a cow) rather than chicken and pork (I rarely eat pork anyway). Since I’m allowed both butter and animal fat, there’s no point using any other sort of cooking oil.
But I also wanted to see whether potatoes would work for me at all, so I decided to start with two weeks of just potatoes and dairy, followed by two weeks of potatoes and cows. I did not end up following this to the letter, but I decided to split this diet up into multiple levels and record each day which level I did.
0 – Potatoes only (salt and butter allowed begrudgingly)
1 – Potatoes and dairy
2 – Potatoes and non-flesh animal products (i.e. fat, stock, organ meat)
3 – Potatoes and animal products
4 – Potatoes, animal products, and fruit and vegetables.
I never reached level 4 in the first month (unless you count cheat days), but I put it in because for the next few months I want to experiment with alternating between potatoes, keto, and keto+potatoes in two week blocks.
Some Q&A about this riff:
Why now? Baby is getting most calories from food rather than breastmilk, and I just came across the potato thing a few days ago, and I want to have another baby soon, so now’s my chance.
Why potatoes? Preliminary results seem pretty promising. Also I love potatoes. Also my ancestors ate lots of potatoes so they might work well with my genome.
Why dairy? Preliminary results seem pretty promising. Also I love dairy. Also my ancestors. But also, I’ve heard good things about butter in particular as a source of fat, and I love eating potatoes with cheese and/or butter.
Why add animal products? I need iron. Also frying potatoes in tallow. Also other animal nutrients.
Why not meat? I might add meat if I feel particularly protein hungry, but preliminary results for meat seemed not great, and I mainly wanted to test potatoes, rather than “meat and potatoes”. But someone (possibly me) should test “meat and potatoes” in the future. Or even “meat and potatoes and veg”/”meat and 3 veg”.
Why not chicken? Preliminary results for eggs seem bad, and also their high in lithium. I’ve heard rumours that chicken fat inherits its omega3/6 etc from its diet, and chicken diets are probably bad, so I think chicken might be a confounder that is worth testing separately. I’d like to test free-range vs feed lot chicken though.
Doesn’t pork have the same problems as chicken? Yes, but I rarely eat pork as I don’t particularly like it, and I especially avoid pork fat, so I’m not particularly fussed about it.
What about fish? I might add some fish as “meat” if I feel particularly protein hungry. But I don’t really eat fish stock, or want to fry potatoes in fish fat, etc.
*About me*
– I am female. Ever since puberty I’ve needed both red meat and iron supplements to stay ahead of deficiency.
– I’ve always been a bit on the chubby side, with my BMI hovering at the overweight border of normal all throughout childhood. I love food. Food makes me feel better and I stress eat and emotional eat and eat for enjoyment and very rarely forget a meal. (I suspect genetics makes some people feel this way about food more than others, and therefore people like me will overeat more than undereat, and thus will tend towards the overweight side of the spectrum, and will be more likely to be overweight/obese when there is an environmental issue. Whereas my husband often forgets to eat, so that probably counteracts whatever is in our environment)
– I need strict rules. I don’t do well with moderation.
– I need extrinsic motivation. I love food and don’t particularly care about appearance, and don’t really play sport. Being part of a study is particularly good for this.
– Related to the above, I am Catholic and find that I am able to “diet” during Lent in ways that I don’t have the willpower for during the rest of the year. I’ve recently been experimenting with trying to use this to help with both moderation and motivation, e.g. only having sugar on “Feast days”.
*My weight and dieting history*
Childhood: My normal/starting adult weight is 75kg. Both my parents have always been overweight. We would often flip flop between lots of take-away, and a strict wholefoods/mediterranean diet. My mother tried to be mostly low-carb, and used olive oil rather than canola/vegetable oil. We rarely ate wheat or junk food due to a coelic in the family. I never felt true satiety, but could feel physically full, and would also use social cues to determine when to eat or stop. I noticed a commenter on SMTM refered to “the Hunger”, and that’s exactly what I have. Eating Chinese take-away was an occasion for bingeing.
Anecdote about “the Hunger”: As and adult, I went to the USA with my family. I felt the Hunger stronger than ever before. At one point we’d just finished eating lunch and my (stick-thin) sister saw an interesting restaurant and decided to get a second lunch. I thought “Of course we could all eat a second lunch, but it’s not socially acceptable to admit that, and even less so to actually do it”. I now understand that not everyone feels this Hunger.
First weight gain: in my third year of uni I looked in the mirror and realised I’d gained a lot of weight. I was now 85kg. At the time, I attributed it to following my now-husband’s diet patterns (lots of carbs, we’d often share some hot chips together for lunch, very little meat or protein) rather than my mother’s (too many carbs are bad, eat some protein with every meal). However, having read “A Chemical Hunger”, I now see it could be due to moving house, moving daytime environment (from school to uni), the preponderance of on campus food options (pfas, seed oils), or even the increase in my wheat (glyphosate) or non-freerange chicken (antibiotics?) intake.
First weight loss (keto): I did a combination of keto and intermittent fasting. My keto diet was basically meat+veggies, with some dairy, as opposed to what I’ve heard called “Standard American Keto”. I never measured my ketone levels, but I determined ketosis based on how I felt, and in my opinion this was reasonably accurate. I would generally eat one meal a day, occasionally with one snack, occasional fast for the whole day, and every two weeks I would reintroduce carbs for two weeks. I rarely ate take-away, at mostly animal fats. I lost 20kg in 6 months and got down to my lowest adult weight (65kg). I very quickly gained those last 10kg back (within two weeks), and was stable at my old set point of 75kg for the next 5 years. For the first time in my life I no longer felt the Hunger. And even when I reintroduced carbs, I found the Hunger was still gone for the next week or so. I felt true satiety! And when the Hunger returned in force, I was able to kill it off with a week of keto, or stave it off with one day of keto/fasting every one to two weeks.
But this weight loss also co-incided with another change in environment, both moving house and moving workplace/school/uni.
Second weight gain (2020): I had a combination of a long term stressor, plus some acute stress, plus some physical influences, plus the covid lockdowns, all coalesce at once, and I gained about 15kg that year. But, having read “A Chemical Hunger”, I notice this weight gain also coincided with moving house, and a change in living arrangements (I got married), and a change in eating behaviour (I was now a short walk away from a supermarket that liked to mark down their products, so I would often go for a morning walk through the supermarket to grab a bargain, and ended up eating a lot of packaged and processed food (pfas? seed oils? glyphosate in wheat? etc).
Pregnancy etc: I was now 93kg and creeping up and up, and I became pregnant. Suddenly I couldn’t do keto (this is debatable, but I decided to be safe in case of hormones or epigenetics) or fast any more, so I could neither arrest this upward trend nor reverse it. Also I needed a lot of extra protein and extra nutrients (from what I understand, this is mostly for the mother’s sake, as the baby will generally steal her nutrients regardless). Morning sickness meant I could eat only carbs, fruit, and some dairy. I had strong cravings the whole pregnancy for carbs+dairy, and this continued into breastfeeding.
Gall bladder: a few months after giving birth, I went to hospital and needed my gall bladder removed. I did some research and realised that I needed the following diet for the rest of my life:
– high fibre (to slow down digestion and soak up gall that is produced)
– steady fat intake, so lots of small meals is better than one
– relatively stable diet.
– at first I thought I had to eat breakfast, but with some experimentation it seems that I can skip it as long as I’m consistent.
– I’ve heard rumours that different fats react differently (in particular, that coconut oil isn’t digested by gall, and that olive oil feels better the next day than fish and chips grease)
These rules are at odds with my previous success at keto and one meal a day. I was pretty scared to try anything slightly away from general medical establishment food recommendations, hesitant to try keto again, and scared to go too long without a meal, even when not hungry. I then gained another 10kgs, and ended up just over 100kg.
Second weight loss: I knew something had to be done, so I decided to try keto again. I kept starting and then cheating a day or two later, so I never made it to ketosis, but it did help me to feel comfortable with keto again, even without a gall bladder. I finally managed to reasonably consistently do keto during Lent (cheating every Sunday though), and I lost around 5kgs (from 102kg to 97kg). Then I discovered SMTM and the potato study a few months later. And if I can make keto+potatoes work, I can continue that through pregnancy and breastfeeding in the future. I lost about 2kg in a month with this riff.
*The month of potatoes*
I started off with just potatoes and dairy. I very quickly found myself eating a lot more dairy than envisioned, as a piece of cheese or a glass of milk made a good snack. I found myself always running out of potatoes at the beginning. Very excited, as potatoes and dairy are both delicious. At the beginning I would often find myself too hot, and fidgety, but as time went on I felt it a little less.
I started adding animal products earlier than envisioned, at day 5. Surprisingly, I didn’t yet have any cravings for them, but my husband wanted to feel included so I made us some sweet potatoes fried in animal fat. I also added meat earlier than expected, on day 8, due to wanting a bit more variety in my diet rather than a craving.
My typical meals were baked potato (usually microwaved, served with cheese and sour cream), soup (potato boiled in stock with cheese, often with lemon juice and pepper added, and usually with a potassium salt mix added too), fried potatoes (either fried in animal fat or ghee, sometimes steamed or microwaved before), and cepalinai (a lithuanian dish involving grated potato, wrapped around mince, boiled, then served with sour cream, onion, and bacon). I’d never made cepalinai before, and never did succeed perfectly, but I had a lot of fun this month trying very slight variations in the mixture to try to get them to work. Note that steaming, rather than boiling, is a great cheat’s way of cooking cepalinai without them falling apart.
I often had a bite of my child’s food when she wanted to share with me, but I didn’t count this as cheating. On Fridays I would eat a few bites of salmon with my potatoes. I would generally cheat when going out, which was mainly Saturday evening and Sunday brunch. Some days I would have a square of dark chocolate after dinner.
Early on, I tried two meals that I knew would have lots of leftovers (roast potatoes – potatoes that had been previously boiled with butter, garlic, lemon juice (I had been given lemons the day before I started this diet), herbs; and scalloped potatoes with a cream and garlic sauce). I gained 1.3kg, which is technically within uncertainty given how much my weight can vary day to day, but it was quite disheartening and I tried to troubleshoot. Here’s my diary entry from that day:
> Why am I gaining weight? Eating too much? Do I need less variety? Am I eating too much cheese? Does boiling reduce potassium too much? … I can gain/lose by up to 3kg just because (e.g. bloating, mensturation, etc), so idk.
From this point onwards I never boiled my potatoes unless I was going to eat the boiling water too. And I never made large oven tray meals either, or meals with garlic, because I noticed I overate those two meals.
From my fasting days, I had a jar containing a mix of potassium salt, sodium salt, and lemon-flavoured magnesium. The label has rubbed off and I no longer remember the quantities. I decided to try adding this to my food in case potassium made a difference. But I also hate the metallic taste of potassium and the weird fake lemon flavour of the magnesium, so I could only add this in small quantities, and only if I was also adding lemon juice, and practically this meant I only added it to soup.
On some days, especially day 8, I felt extremely hot and fidgety, and it was an internal heat, as though my metabolism was on fire. I started recording my daily morning temperature after that, but there was nothing out of the ordinary there. And on some days I was extremely cold, as though I was eating at a calorie deficit, but it was hard to say how much of that was due to the cold winter weather on those days.
Got sick around halfway through, but kept eating potatoes. Got very little sleep towards the end and probably overate.
While the Hunger never quite went away on this diet like it did during keto, I did get very attuned to noticing a certain variation on the Hunger, which I’ll call the Addiction. As far as I could tell, the Addiction cropped up whenever I ate seed oil (usually take-away foods like hot chips and Chinese, or packaged foods), but this could easily be confounded by pfas or some other problem. And when it cropped up, I felt a compulsion to eat that particular food, and never felt satiated by that food, and furthermore the Addiction seemed to hang around for about 12-24hrs.
I’ve realised that the Hunger seems to come in at least two parts, and on days when the Addiction wasn’t there I found myself occasionally feeling semi-satiated and happy to put my half-finished food away for later. If the seed oil blogs are right, I wonder if the Addiction is direct vegetable oil metabolic harm and the non-Addiction part of the Hunger is some sort of indirect metabolic harm from vegetable oil. Or they could be from at least two different sources of contamination etc.
I never got sick of potatoes, and in fact found a new appreciation for them. I particularly enjoyed feeling a connection with my european ancestors. However, towards the end I did feel a strong yearning to include other foods like onions, eggs, or a touch of flour. This was not a craving, but because I wanted to better emulate some of these ancestral recipes. In future I may decide to be a little more lax with things like that. On the other hand, I never managed to eat only potatoes (and salt). I tried eating only potatoes twice: the first time I caved and added butter at dinner, the second time I had butter with every meal and caved and added cheese and milk at dinner. I don’t think I could do a straight potatoes diet.
*My current theory*
I read “A Chemical Hunger”, and I generally agree that there is some sort of contamination in the modern world. Probably multiple. But I also think some things like seed oils and HFCS may be a problem too. It seems like certain diets (e.g. keto) may be a bit of a work-around for a broken metabolism, but I love carbs so I’d like to get to the bottom of this so I can eat carbs freely some day.
Mainly, I think that each of these issues probably causes obesity in some people, but none of them will be the cause of obesity in everyone. And if we remove one thing (e.g. pfas), some people will get completely better, and others will get a little bit better, and still others (hopefully very few) will have been permanently broken. For me personally, I think seed oils are one culprit, but I think there’s at least one other that I haven’t identified yet.
The fact that semaglutide has been found to work against addiction makes me wonder if one of it’s main pathways is preventing “the Addiction”, and thus that vegetable oil (or whatever similar thing in processed food (both ultra-processed packaged food and commercial restaurant/fast food)) is a culprit for many people.
*The future*
I’m going to have a few cheat days, maybe up to a week, and then try alternating between keto and potatoes+cow every two weeks. I may allow a few extra things like onions and eggs during the potatoes+cow phase. Next time I pregnant, I’d like to try some version of keto+potatoes, i.e. a sort of wholefoods diet that includes milk and excludes rice and wheat, so as to be sufficiently mainstream. I’d like to avoid vegetable oil, but that’s extremely difficult at the best of times. I’d also like to avoid packaged and ultra-processed food, and wheat.
Things I’d like to experiment with in the future (or see someone else try):
– Rice (I love rice and could eat it all day)
– Better bread (many variations, e.g. made without soy, without vegetable oil, from european wheat, etc)
– Free range vs. cage eggs (and chickens)
– Chicken (esp free range) vs. red meat
– Animal products vs. animal flesh
– Meat+veg+potato(+dairy)
– Alternating keto and potato, or keto and potato+keto
– Modern Catholic diet: preplan what fast (i.e. some sort of food restriction) and feast days mean, and preplan which days of the year are which (mix of long and short periods), and then follow that
– Medieval Catholic (or Orthodox) diet: as above, using medieval rules.
– Medieval peasant diet: as above, but with very little meat except on Sundays and feasts.
Hello SMTM,
Here’s my next (probably final) report. This time there is less to say, so I’ll just say it here instead of attaching it:
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Participant number: 22179922
After I completed 4 weeks of potato+cows, I decided to start alternating between 2 weeks “keto” and two weeks “potato”.
During my two weeks of keto, I tried to do something similar to ex150 from ExFatLoss. That is, one meal containing veggies + a limited amount of protein, and as much cream as I like the rest of the time. But because I don’t have a gall bladder, I require more fibre with my fat so I decided to add veggies or berries to the ad-lib cream. Overall, I don’t think this worked very well. When I exclude the initial water loss, I think I even gained weight here. And it took about a week for my gall-bladder to adjust, so I should have chosen a longer period. And towards the end I was craving carbs and protein and I had to switch to potatoes early.
I then intended to do a further two weeks of potato+cows, but it turned out I was pregnant. That probably caused the protein cravings, but I don’t think it caused the weight gain. Because I was pregnant, I decided to follow potato+cows very loosely, indulging in any cravings that came up ad lib. However, it turned out that most of my cravings were for meat, potatoes, and dairy anyway, so I actually followed my potato riff reasonably closely. Three common additions during this time were onions, eggs (free range), and flour (Italian to avoid glyphosate), mostly so I could follow certain potato recipes.
Overall, I didn’t seem to lose much weight in the initial 4 weeks, and to the extent that I did lose it I seemed to gain it all back in the following 4 weeks. I also felt very tired and hungry towards the end, but it’s unclear how much of that was due to a calorie deficit and how much was due to pregnancy. I would not attribute the weight gain to pregnancy though. It felt a lot closer to “weight loss by calorie deficit” rather than “weight loss by not feeling hungry”, both of which I have previous experience with.
I don’t think I’d try potatoes for weight loss in the future, but I did feel pretty good on them, discovered a few new satiety-related feelings, and I now have a new-found appreciation for potatoes. I’ve also made a big effort to avoid fast food, take-away, and packaged food, along with Australian and American wheat, and obvious sources of PFAS. And when I do buy pre-prepared food, I do my best to avoid fried food. I’m sure it’s healthier, but I’m yet to see an effect on my weight yet.
I will continue eating this way for the foreseeable future, but I don’t think I’ll fill in the spreadsheet – I’ve already noticed I’m putting in a lot less information than in the first month.
And I still haven’t managed to properly make cepelinai.
4 weeks. I am planning on incorporating the general idea/outlook of work like Fire in a bottle. So potatoes and a small amount of fat from sources that are not seed oils. Butter, tallow, coconut, cacao, etc.
So my protocol was potato diet, low fat, low protein in the spirit of Brad Marshall’s “Fire in a Bottle” blog. So that meant the fat was generally saturated, and sources high in stearic acid. Fruit and honey were permissible, as well as dates for an evening sweet treat, or high cacao % dark chocolate. The one corner I cut on this was to frequently use this chili oil ( https://xiankits.com/products/xff-chili-oil-crisps-jar?Size=8oz ) to make the meals more palatable. In the spirit of FiaB this should be off limits because I’m sure the oil they’re using is some sort of seed oil but… can’t win them all.
For potatoes I tried a range of different styles, at first doing separate batches of regular and sweet, so that I had options. Eventually found I really enjoyed the yellow potatoes from Lidl and just make that. For prep/cooking I peel, boil, and mash all of them. At first I was weighing and tracking calories and titrating the amount of fat added to keep it below 10% of calories. After a week or 2 of this I got lazy and just eyeballed it. I experimented with all manner of combinations when eating. I found sweet potatoes often didn’t require the addition of anything beyond salt and pepper. Regular potatoes were eaten with various combinations of: butter, stearic enhanced butter (as Brad describes on his blog), chili oil, beef tallow, cacao butter, beef bone broth, honey, powdered glycine, and maybe something else I’m forgetting.
I found the diet reasonably easy to stick to, since I wasn’t eating strictly potatoes and could vary what I put in them. One concept that Brad has talked about is the idea that saturated fat causes a feeling of satiety much quicker than PUFA and why, down to a mitochondrial level, that might be. I really buy that argument now after the last several months. The speed and intensity of satiety I get when using tallow or cacao butter is a lot. I found my perception of hunger changed whenver I had a good stretch of following the diet strictly. I wouldn’t really feel actaul hunger, I would just at some point realize I was daydreaming about how good an entire pizza would be, or a steak, or piece of cake, whatever, and know that meant I was hungry.
Any time I’ve restarted the diet after a cheat day I find it takes at least a day to feel the effects kick in. Between potato diet and not drinking (which is still kinda a new thing for me) I find I wake up early and have good energy throughout the day. I’ve experimented with eating early in the morning to kickstart metabolism, another thing I believe I’ve heard Brad talk about, and at the other end of the spectrum waiting till at least noon or later to actually eat a substantial meal. The second option is more fun mentally because the morning fast allows me to log a lower weight for the day, and I’ll take any psychological trick that works. I found blood pressure improved pretty quickly with some weight loss and a few days into potato diet. Blood glucose was less quick to make changes, but perhaps I need to lose more weight.
I often cheated when going out to dinner with the wife, since in my mind eating fries in a restaurant is also a bad option due to the frying oil, so in those situations I just went with the flow and ordered what I wanted. I found between weight and waistline I could see some sort of progress near daily, however that progress would be quickly and temporarily undone by a cheat day or meal. Every cheat was reversed by getting back on the diet, but conversely, you could say as soon as I stopped the restrictive diet I immediately started reverting to the mean, which for me seems to be over 220.
I only ended up losing 10# during the month in part because of cheat meals, with a few days of travel, and my favorite cat getting sick at the 3 week mark, which threw everything out of whack for the 2 weeks that he was ill before we had to put him down. Since completing the month I’ve tried to stay on the diet however it’s summer time and there’s tons of plans and it’s hard not to cheat when out and about.
My interpretation of Brad and others work is that the increased PUFA in diet throws off a variety of mechanisms that disable or alter the lipostat and cause weight gain. If Brad is right then this is in part because the body normally sees PUFA as a sign of scarcity and depresses metabolism as part of a survival mechanism. My understanding of all that is that in theory if I could purge the excess PUFA from body fat, which would likely also mean losing quite a bit more weight, that maybe then I wouldn’t so immediately start putting weight back on when I stop eating potato diet.
At time of writing I’m at 213, up from a low of 207 after a week and a few days of being off diet. Will be interesting to see how long it takes to get back to 207 and make a new low. I am having a hard time of breaking and staying under 210, and I have not weighed less than 200 in over a decade. My goal weight is still < 180, and I plan to evaluate how much further to go when I get to that point. And while this has not been as immediate a change as I’d like, I am still 20# lighter than my heaviest weight.
Also today I shared a different version of the potato diet chart/vitals with you. I don’t love the horizontal scroll to fill in the info. Will be continuing on with the V2 I shared. This was a kinda free form rambling recollection of the experience. I should have done it sooner after the completion of 1 month but ya know, was dealing with the cat and life in general. Please hit me up with any followups as needed.
My riff is potato + soy products + chocolate! Sounds delicious, and will give me plenty of protein.
My main hypothesis for why the potato diet works is that it’s relatively bland, leading to less calorie intake. My chosen riff will hopefully not be very bland, though, and if it works, would make my hypothesis seem less likely to me.
Note that my starting weight is quite low, with a BMI of ~20. This is the result of a long, hard calorie restriction. My personal aim is not to lose weight, but to keep the weight down. If I stay at the same weight, and not drift up by a few pounds, I’d consider that a success!
I participated in the half-tato trial last year (participant ID 81471891), with a highly calorie-controlled approach, and I didn’t see a significant difference in weight loss speed between the baseline weeks and the potato weeks. This time, I plan to not count calories or track what I eat, but just to eat what I feel like, within the constraints of my riff.
Hey SNTM
I finished my “potatos + soy products + plain vegan chocolate” riff!
Found it pretty enjoyable! I stuck to my riff very consistently, and didn’t break the diet.
– Potatos: Most of the time, I microwaved them, which I found extremely convenient! But I also ate them baked, fried, mashed, and as soup. I also occasionally ate french fries, potato dumplings, and store-bought hash browns. Once, I tried making “potato cookies” from potato starch.
– Soy products: This included soy milk, soy yoghurt, soy-based cream, lots of tofu, fermented tofu, tempeh, some soy-based meat substitutes, soy flakes, and soy flour. I was really happy with the variety here!
– Chocolate: I restricted myself to plain, dark, vegan chocolate, so I wouldn’t over-indulge. But I didn’t hold back here, and ate as much chocolate as I wanted. In the end, I was a bit bored by plain supermarket chocolate. I also put cocoa powder into my soy milk sometimes.
– Oil: This was allowed per the base protocol. I mostly had canola oil, olive oil, coconut oil, and — of course — soybean oil.
– Spices: A per protocol I also added spices to my food: Salt and pepper, herbs, garlic and onion powder, chili and paprika powder.
– Sugar: On two days, I made caramelized potatos, and some of the soy milk and soy yoghurt I ate had sugar in it.
So, what were the outcomes? It is important to mention that, because of my already low starting weight, my goal was not weight loss, bug weight maintenance. Between the first and the last measurement over the course of the four weeks, I lost 0.7 kg (1.5 lbs). However, as weight measurements have a high degree of noise to them, looking at a moving average of the data seems more meaningful.
This becomes especially clear when zooming out. I have *a lot* of data on my weight, and attached some graphs: Of the last two months, of the last 1.5 years, and of all data I have (12 years). As you can see, I did a calorie restriction diet for most of 2023, where I ate 1200-1800 kcal per day. Now, I’m trying to stay inside the 64-67 kg range by resuming that restriction once I hit the upper boundary of that range, until I hit the lower boundary again.
I started the potato diet immediately after such a calorie restriction phase. This way, I could compare how effective it would be in keeping my weight down. Overall, in the moving average, it looks like I gained about 1 kg of weight during the month. This seems typical for a phase where I’m not counting calories. So, for myself, and for the purpose of keeping my weight down, I’d consider my potato riff ineffective.
Finally, here are some suggestions for how I think you could improve your approach:
– Ask people to track their weight for one additional week before and after the potato period, to be able to build better moving averages, and to see how starting/stopping eating potatoes affects the weight.
– Have participants fill out a survey at the end of the four weeks, asking for more data. Questions like “How many meals were deep-fried potatoes?”, “What total volume of oil did you consume?” or “What food did you miss most?”
– Do yearly follow-up surveys with all participants (of all previous trials)! Ask for current weight, their current potato consumption, and other dieting experiences. This would allow you to see the long-term effects of the potato intervention.
Thanks again for organizing!
I have a followup with results from a second round to share – feel free to post it if you want to.
It’s me, Skittles guy* again. I’m back to report on my second round of the potato diet. After my successful first attempt in January, I decided to give it another go this summer.
Quick Recap of Round One (January):
– Duration: 4 weeks
– Weight loss: 12 pounds (187 to 175 lbs)
– Protocol: Potatoes, fats, and Skittles (consumed in moderation)
The Interim Period:
After the initial success, I maintained my weight without much effort. However, by June-July, I noticed the scale creeping above 175 lbs, accompanied by some compulsive eating behaviors. So, I broke out the potato peeler once again…
Round Two (July 22nd – August 17th):
– Starting weight: 176 lbs
– Ending weight: 166.4 lbs
Modified Protocol:
This time, I allowed myself the following foods ad libitum:
– Butter and oil
– Sweet Potatoes
– Low-calorie vegetables (onions, peppers, broccoli, green chile, etc.)
– Skittles (in moderation)
Additional Factors:
– I’m in the midst of training for an Ultramarathon and averaged ~30 miles of running per week
– Allowed fresh fruit as a treat after runs of 2 hours or longer (4-5 times during the diet period)
– One cheat meal after a particularly long run
The Experience:
While not quite as enjoyable as the winter edition (hot potatoes are probably just less appealing in the summer?), the diet was still effective and compliance was relatively easy. Hash browns and mashed potatoes were my go-to meals, often with generous helpings of green chile. I had no particular difficulty running, and my estimated VO2Max (per Apple Watch) improved from 43.5 to 45.
Key Takeaways:
1. The potato diet once again proved effective, even at a lower starting weight.
2. Adding other vegetables was not incompatible with weight loss.
2. The diet is compatible with endurance training, supporting both weight loss and performance improvement.
The potato diet has been a game changer for me. It’s a real psychological comfort to know that I can drop weight (or even just reset my eating behaviors) with a simple protocol that doesn’t require a great deal of mental effort.
* I generally didn’t eat more than 20-30 skittles a day, and sometimes none. I don’t really recommend eating skittles-only meals but you do you!
2024-10-01 09:17:38
The Batrachomyomachia (“Battle of the Frogs and Mice”) is a comic epic parody of the Iliad and a good source of names for your pet mice. Like Artepibulus, “he who lies in wait for bread”.
Greek etymology rabbithole also led us to troglodyte, which ultimately means, “hole, I get into”:
From Latin trōglodyta (“cave dwelling people”), from Ancient Greek τρωγλοδύτης (trōglodútēs, “one who dwells in holes”), from τρώγλη (trṓglē, “hole”) + δύω (dúō, “I get into”).
Crawfish help reveal the impact of lithium pollution
The Secret Inside One Million Checkboxes
You can’t send a person into space too fast, because they will turn to goo. But many other things can be sent to space fast without becoming goo. This is the premise behind Longshot Space, “a hypersonic launch startup” that will use big guns to send things that are not people to space. Longshot please hire us to write your marketing we promise we will use the word “goo” at least once a sentence.
Alice Maz – the xunzi as the basis of a metarational ruling ideology
Defender – Anatomy of an internet argument:
There’s a misconception that good faith discussion only happens in close-knit communities like LessWrong or HackerNews. The reality I’m looking at here is that ~everyone on the internet is rational AND is arguing in good faith. If it doesn’t look that way, it’s because you’re speaking different languages.
Adam Mastroianni has announced the winners of his Blog Extravaganza, go read! We are especially fond of the first-place winner, We’re not going to run out of new anatomy anytime soon. And the second-place winner, The Best Antibiotic for Acne is Non-Prescription, “a real scientific report of a self-experiment” that “begins with a criminal confession”.
Here’s a very happy replication of JD Stillwater’s 2012 “I Put a Toaster in the Dishwasher” experiment we featured in our previous links post. Click through for the results, but here are the methods:
It may be fine to put a toaster in a dishwasher, despite everyone with a shred of common sense “knowing” that’s a bad idea. I was skeptical, but I thought I’d try it since my toaster is very cheap, very old and very dirty. As I added the dishwasher tab and chose a cycle, I was praying that I wasn’t about to fall prey to a 12-year-old prank.
The Secret to Designing Mysterious Games
Henrik Karlsson – Becoming perceptive:
When Maslow showed his subjects paintings, people who struggled to self-actualize would typically label what they saw (“It is a Picasso”) whereas the self-actualized would describe the concrete details of the painting they had before them (“There is an interesting tension between the yellows and the blues here”).
NBC News – Scientists studying ‘Parkinson’s belt’ believe disease is linked to chemicals (h/t Adam Weis)
Dynomight – Nursing doubts: Is breastfeeding good?
Maxwell Tabarrok – How the FAA Is Keeping Flying Cars in Science Fiction
1999 review of James Scott’s book, Seeing like a State
Unusual thread about math. Not sure of its accuracy but we’re interested in any argument based on the premise, “you’re a victim of a 2300 year old error in metaphysics”.
2024-08-31 05:22:33
DefenderOfBasic: “one of the most popular tools I ever made was this thing to explain how JPEG images are created out of these mathematical patterns … made in a couple hours for a talk, didn’t even bother trying to style it/make it look good.” Despite this, it is good. Try the jpeg-sandbox here.
The idea of feeding minerals “free choice” to livestock came about by a need to decrease over-consumption of a liquid supplement containing phosphoric acid, protein, molasses, and other minerals. Upon investigation, it was found that the liquid supplement was being used heavily by the animal as a source of phosphorous. Consequently, we discovered if animals had access to a phosphorous source on a free choice basis, over-consumption of the liquid ceased. We then extended this concept to other vitamins and minerals: if the animal was able to select phosphorous on a free choice basis, perhaps calcium could be selected in the same manner – success!
The next item tested free choice was sodium (Na+), in the form of sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3). It was feared that salt (NaCl) was not a satisfactory source of Na+ because it is one-third Na+ and two-thirds chloride (Cl-), and chloride was already in excess in most rations. Again, we found great success in our method. In time, potassium, sulfur, silicon, magnesium, vitamins, and trace minerals were added to the list. Finally, there were 16 separate vitamins and minerals fed free choice.
Viking antibiotics rediscovered
Our colleague in doing science online, Elizabeth Van Nostrand, asks: Please support this blog (with money)
Our Very Strange Search for “Sea Level”
Henrik Karlsson, Pseudonyms lets you practice agency
In his posthumously published book about pseudonyms, The Point of View of My Work as an Author, Kierkegaard makes an interesting argument for pseudonyms. Kierkegaard says that he used pseudonyms because he wanted the reader to be uncertain about how much of what he was saying was something he believed (far from everything). He would add details that make you question the trustworthiness of the authors of his books—as in Fear and Trembling, where Johannes Silencio is talking about how to deal with despair, while, quite obviously, being in despair himself. This unreliability of the authors forces the reader to “stand alone” (staa alene) to use Kierkegaard’s phrase. As a reader, you can’t pretend that you are not responsible for what you believe—you can’t say, “Oh, but Kierkegaard said so.” Or, worse: “Everyone does that.” No. You are left alone with these strange and unreliable authors and you have to come to your own conclusions.
Listen to radio from all over the world on radio.garden
astronaut.io – “youtube videos that have never been seen before, that may never be seen again“ (h/t DefenderOfBasic)
Seeds of Science puts out The SoS Library, including a couple of pieces by your favorite slimes.
Clearer Thinking: Can astrologers truly gain insights about people from entire astrological charts?
I Put a Toaster in the Dishwasher (h/t Adam Mastroianni)
These commenters are speaking authoritatively on subjects about which they are completely ignorant, but they are strident in doing so because they are repeating what everybody knows. They are intellectually secure in the center of a vast mob; their wisdom was received, not crafted. It doesn’t need to be crafted, because it is already known, established, beyond question (but demonstrably wrong).
Courts Are Beginning to Prevent the Use of Roadside Drug Tests. The exact false positive rate of drug tests remains unclear, but seems much too high, and is certainly greater than zero!
The tests are small plastic pouches holding vials of chemicals. They’re cheap, roughly $2 apiece, and easy to use. Officers open the pouch and add the substance to be tested. The tests are designed to produce specific colors when mixed with drugs like heroin, cocaine or methamphetamine. But dozens of items, including foods and household cleaners, trigger similar reactions.
The Best Books on Personality Types
One of the first places to use the Myers Briggs Type Indicator in the wider world was the Institution for Personality Research and Research (IPAR). It was housed at a fraternity house in Berkeley that had been purchased by a psychologist named Donald MacKinnon, the first person to buy the Myers Briggs Type Indicator from Isabel.
At IPAR, MacKinnon wanted to create what he called a ‘house party approach’ to testing. He’d bring people to live in this fraternity house for long weekends. He’d give them personality tests; he’d have them compete against each other in games; he’d put them in deliberately stressful situations. And he’d have psychology graduate students watching their behavior to see what they could discern about personality from this very strange, immersive testing experience.
Speaking of personality measures: How accurate are popular personality test frameworks at predicting life outcomes? A detailed investigation
Twitter user DREW DANIEL @DDDrewDaniel “had a dream I was at a rave talking to a girl and she told me about a genre called ‘hit em’ that is in 5/4 time at 212 bpm with super crunched out sounds thank you dream girl”. Turns out this formula makes for pretty good tracks (and commentary, and reflections on the nature of twitter), add another entry to Wikipedia’s List of works based on dreams. Here are some favorites:
