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Philip Goff — Exploring Consciousness and Non-Ordinary Religion, Galileo’s Error, Panpsychism, Heretical Ideas, and Therapeutic Belief (#805)

2025-04-10 22:29:13

“Panpsychism is the view that consciousness goes all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality.”
— Philip Goff

Philip Goff (@Philip_Goff) is a professor of philosophy at Durham University. His main research focus is consciousness, but he is interested in many questions about the nature of reality. He is most known for defending panpsychism, the view that consciousness is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of the physical world. Fifteen years ago, panpsychism was laughed at, if it was thought of at all. Goff has led a movement that has made panpsychism a mainstream position, taught to undergraduates and widely discussed in academic journals.

Goff is the author of Galileo’s Error: Foundations for a New Science of Consciousness and Why? The Purpose of the Universe. He has published 50 academic articles and has written extensively for newspapers and magazines, including Scientific American, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, Aeon and the Times Literary Supplement.

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Website | Mind Chat (Podcast) | Twitter | Bluesky

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

Books, Publications, and Written Works

People

  • Gareth Cook: Pulitzer Prize-winning author who interviewed Philip for Scientific American.
  • Annaka Harris: Author, friend of Philip, sympathetic to Panpsychism.
  • Roger Penrose: Nobel Prize-winning physicist, proponent of quantum consciousness theories.
  • Stuart Hameroff: Scientist who collaborated with Penrose on consciousness theories.
  • Kurt Gödel: Logician known for incompleteness theorems.
  • Christof Koch: Neuroscientist involved in consciousness research, made a bet with Chalmers, associated with IIT.
  • David Chalmers: Philosopher known for work on consciousness, made a bet with Koch, proponent of Panpsychism, author of Reality+.
  • Giulio Tononi: Neuroscientist, key figure in Integrated Information Theory — IIT.
  • Max Planck: Physicist, father of quantum theory, quoted on consciousness being fundamental.
  • Galileo Galilei: Scientist pivotal in the scientific revolution, discussed for separating consciousness from physical science.
  • David Presti: Neuroscientist at UC Berkeley, editor of Mind Beyond Brain.
  • Steve Jurvetson: Venture capitalist discussed regarding quantum computing (Tim Ferriss Show #317).
  • Bertrand Russell: Philosopher and logician, key influence on Philip, proponent of ideas foundational to modern Panpsychism, author of Why I Am Not a Christian.
  • Charles Darwin: Biologist, used as a comparison for Russell’s impact.
  • Arthur Eddington: Scientist who confirmed Einstein’s theory, worked on consciousness/Panpsychism with Russell.
  • Albert Einstein: Physicist, creator of the theory of general relativity.
  • Isaac Newton: Physicist whose theory of gravity was updated by Einstein.
  • Stephen Hawking: Physicist, author of A Brief History of Time.
  • William James: Philosopher and psychologist, major influence on Philip, known for Varieties of Religious Experience and The Will to Believe.
  • Karen Armstrong: Historian of religion, author of The Case for God.
  • Meister Eckhart: Christian mystic.
  • William Lane Craig: Christian philosopher and apologist debated by Philip.
  • Dale Allison: Biblical scholar known for work on the resurrection.
  • Jesus: Central figure of Christianity, also referred to as Yeshua.
  • Tom Holland: Historian, author of Dominion.
  • William Shakespeare: Playwright.
  • Bertram: Character in Shakespeare’s All’s Well That Ends Well.
  • Helena: Character in Shakespeare’s All’s Well That Ends Well.
  • Origen: Early Christian theologian known for allegorical interpretation.
  • Thomas Aquinas: Philosopher and theologian, mentioned as initially radical.
  • St. Francis of Assisi: Christian saint associated with mysticism and nature.
  • Thomas Merton: Trappist monk and mystic writer.
  • Brian Muraresku: Author of The Immortality Key.
  • Bart Ehrman: Atheist Bible scholar mentioned regarding early Christian experiences.
  • St. Peter: Apostle of Jesus mentioned regarding resurrection experiences.
  • Mary Magdalene: Follower of Jesus mentioned regarding resurrection experiences.
  • Thomas Nagel: Philosopher, author of Mind and Cosmos.
  • Richard Dawkins: Biologist and prominent atheist.
  • Nick Bostrom: Philosopher known for the simulation hypothesis.
  • John Hawthorne: Philosopher mentioned for work on teleological laws.
  • Daniel Nolan: Philosopher mentioned for work on teleological laws.
  • Blaise Pascal: Mathematician and philosopher known for Pascal’s Wager.
  • Thomas Bayes: Mathematician, originator of Bayes’ Theorem.
  • David Hume: Philosopher known for skepticism, challenged by Bayes regarding miracles.
  • John Maynard Keynes: Economist, quoted on changing one’s mind.
  • Constantine: Roman Emperor associated with Christianity’s rise.
  • Socrates: Ancient Greek philosopher, used as a comparison for Bohr’s charisma.
  • Niels Bohr: Physicist, pioneer of quantum mechanics.
  • Knut Nordby: Late neuroscientist, expert color scientist who was colorblind.
  • Eugene Wigner: Nobel Prize-winning physicist who explored consciousness in quantum mechanics.
  • W.K. Clifford: Mathematician and philosopher mentioned by William James regarding belief and evidence.
  • Joanna Leidenhag: Panpsychist theologian.
  • Plato: Ancient Greek philosopher.
  • Joe Rogan: Podcaster who interviewed Philip.
  • Luke Roelofs: Philosopher, panpsychist who believes everything is conscious.
  • Angela Mendonovici: Philosopher mentioned as a secular panpsychist.
  • Hedda Hassel Mørch: Philosopher mentioned as seeing consonance between Panpsychism and spirituality.
  • Itai Shani: Philosopher mentioned as seeing consonance between Panpsychism and spirituality.
  • A.J. Jacobs: Author and journalist known for his immersive journalism and experiments in living.
  • Hafez: Persian Sufi poet.
  • Jalal al-Din Rumi: Persian Sufi poet.
  • Haleh Liza Gafori: Performance artist, translator, vocalist, poet, and musician.
  • David Yaden: Scientist, author of The Varieties of Spiritual Experiences.
  • Stanislas Dehaene: Neuroscientist associated with Global Neuronal Workspace Theory.
  • Erwin Schrödinger: Physicist known for the Schrödinger equation and thought experiment.
  • Gottlieb Frege: Logician and philosopher who worked with Russell.
  • Kelvin McQueen: Philosopher who explored consciousness’s role in quantum mechanics with Chalmers.

Concepts (Philosophy/Religion/Spirituality)

Concepts (Science/Math/Psychology)

  • Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorems: Mathematical theorems showing limits of provability in formal systems, with deep implications for mathematics and logic.
  • Predicate Logic: A branch of formal logic incorporating quantifiers, variables, and predicates to express relationships and make inferences about objects.
  • Microtubules: Cellular structures in neurons’ cytoskeleton proposed by some theorists to play a role in consciousness through quantum processes.
  • Neural Correlates of Consciousness (NCC): The minimal neural systems sufficient for specific conscious experiences, forming a key research program in neuroscience.
  • Integrated Information Theory (IIT): Scientific theory proposing that consciousness emerges from complex integrated information systems in the brain.
  • Phi: Measure of integrated information used in IIT to quantify the amount of consciousness in a system.
  • Schrödinger Equation: Fundamental equation in quantum mechanics describing how quantum states evolve over time.
  • Schrödinger’s Cat: Schrödinger’s famous thought experiment in quantum mechanics that is simultaneously kind and unkind to a feline frenemy.
  • Superposition: Quantum mechanical principle where particles exist in multiple states simultaneously until measured.
  • Born Rule: Fundamental rule in quantum mechanics that determines probability distributions of measurement outcomes.
  • General Relativity: The geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915.
  • Cosmological Constant: The simplest possible explanation for dark energy, used in the standard model of cosmology known as the ?CDM model.
  • MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors): Class of chemicals that inhibit monoamine oxidase enzymes, used in antidepressants and found in ayahuasca.

Movies

Institutions and Organizations

Events

Relevant Resources

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:06:24] What is panpsychism?
  • [00:11:19] Common misunderstandings about panpsychism.
  • [00:16:08] Roger Penrose and quantum consciousness.
  • [00:17:26] Gödel’s incompleteness theorem.
  • [00:19:22] The challenges of scientific consensus on consciousness.
  • [00:21:35] Integrated Information Theory (IIT).
  • [00:27:17] What early quantum pioneers like Max Planck and Niels Bohr thought about consciousness.
  • [00:33:15] Defining consciousness and qualia.
  • [00:35:41] Galileo’s Error: How science removed consciousness from study.
  • [00:41:03] Materialist vs. panpsychist.
  • [00:43:30] The neuroanatomical seat of consciousness debate.
  • [00:45:41] Scientific challenges around the public observation of consciousness.
  • [00:50:35] Exploring potential payoffs and ethical considerations of figuring out consciousness.
  • [00:57:01] How virtual reality reminded Philip to appreciate ordinary reality.
  • [01:00:31] Bertrand Russell and William James as philosophical heroes.
  • [01:02:05] Science seems mum on the matter of matter.
  • [01:06:53] William James and mystical experiences.
  • [01:09:20] Philip’s journey as a “heretical Christian.”
  • [01:19:23] Why Philip left Christianity at age 14.
  • [01:20:20] Rediscovering mystical traditions within Christianity.
  • [01:31:41] Karen Armstrong on the modern corruption of religious belief.
  • [01:33:56] Is true belief a prerequisite for building a community through religion and enjoying its therapeutic benefits?
  • [01:48:40] Psychedelics and numinous experiences.
  • [01:51:36] Sufism and mystical poetry.
  • [01:56:10] Renaming traditional religious terms for broader accessibility.
  • [02:01:09] The potential resurgence of religion and new spiritual movements.
  • [02:05:42] Philip’s billboard.
  • [02:08:36] Parting thoughts.

MORE PHILIP GOFF QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“Panpsychism is the view that consciousness goes all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality.”
— Philip Goff

“Don’t start from ‘What do I want?’ Start from ‘How can I contribute?’ I think happiness flows from that.”
— Philip Goff

“The way the word ‘consciousness’ is standardly used, I think in both science and philosophy, it just means subjective experience. Your consciousness is just what it’s like to be you.”
— Philip Goff

“I’m not here saying, ‘Oh, this is the one true faith you’ve got to believe.’ … I’m interested in different experiments in living, and I think there’s a way of engaging religion that perhaps not everyone is fully aware of.”
— Philip Goff

“Physical science doesn’t really tell us what matter is … ultimately, at base, physics just gives us mathematical structure. And so in a sense, physics doesn’t care what matter is, it doesn’t care what physical reality is, it just cares what its mathematical structure is.”
— Philip Goff

“We don’t know if we can get consciousness out of physics, but we know we can get physics out of consciousness.”
— Philip Goff

[On the integrated information theory:] “The proposal is that at the exact moment when a system has more integrated information in the whole than in the parts, that’s when the lights come on. That’s when you get consciousness.”
— Philip Goff

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How to Heal the Anxious Self — David Whyte

2025-04-10 00:30:40

David Whyte (davidwhyte.com) is the author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose. He holds a degree in marine zoology and has traveled extensively, including living and working as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands and leading expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and Himalayas. He has also hosted a live online series, Three Sundays, every other month since 2020.

I had the pleasure of sitting down with David for an interview a few months ago, and he proved as wonderful in person as he is on the page. During our conversation, he read from his most recent work, Consolations II. Now, I have a dog-eared hardcover copy by my bedside. It’s indispensable. No matter the challenge, dream, mystery, or feeling of stuckness, he has a poem or essay within that will help you.

I’ve recently been rereading one of his essays in particular, and David kindly agreed to allow me to share it with you here. I’ve bolded some of my favorite parts. If a sentence is bolded and underlined, I found it particularly impactful.

Enter David…

Anxiety

is the mask that truth wears when we refuse to stop and uncover its face: the disembodied state I feel when I pretend to put things right by worrying about them instead of conversing with them. Anxiety is my ever-present excuse for not truly resting into the body or the breath or a world where I might find out the truth. Anxiety is the temporary helper going by the name of worry, who, when turned into our constant live-in companion, becomes our formidable jailor.

In the midst of anxiety we always haunt the body like an unhappy ghost from the past instead of living in it as a live anticipation of our future: anxiety creates the ghost-like sense of living timidly in our mortal frames so that we begin living in the world in the same way: as a troubled guest; a guest who does not believe they deserve the rest and hospitality that the body, the breath or the world can offer. Anxiety is the mind refusing to be consoled and nourished either by the body itself, or the beauty of the world that this body inhabits: anxiety is an extended state of denial; the refusal to put right something that needs to be put right, because putting it right often means feeling real anguish, a real sense of the unknown and the need to change at a fundamental level.

Anxiety always tells us we are somehow just about to be injured by reality, by another or by the body itself: that nothing is to be trusted fully: our continued nervousness wasting the body’s powers by keeping up a heightened but unsustainable level of alertness. Nervousness loves further nervousness to confirm its fears; on the Internet I will find everything I need to feed my anxiety because anxiety is what makes me click as much as curiosity. Anxiety is difficult to shed because anxiety always refuses rest and rest is where the answer to anxiety lies. Rest feels as if we are letting down our guard and refusing to defend what we instinctively feel must be constantly defended to the last. Rest feels like a traitorous activity ignoring the fears that have come to make up our identity, anxiety is a dead end exactly because it refuses to look for real consolation.

Temporary worry is useful to us and allows us to identify and innumerate what has not yet been fully answered or done and therefore outlines what is important to us and what we care about: constant worry always goes over and over the same territory and becomes, in the refusal to move on, the anxiety that cripples: anxiety is the illusory state of non-attention where we imagine that the very worrying itself is a way of paying deeper attention, but anxiousness actually becomes our unconscious way of refusing to go any deeper with the very things we are spending our days, worrying about.

Constant anxiety is an unconscious defence against what is calling us to a deeper understanding. Ever-present anxiety actually covers over and prevents me from feeling fully what is praying on my mind. Constant anxiety is our constant way of not paying attention. Anxiety is the trembling surface identity that finds the full measure of our anguish too painful to bear, constant fretting is our way of turning away from and attempting to make a life free from the necessities of heartbreak. Anxiety is our greatest defence against the vulnerabilities of intimacy and a real understanding of others. Allowing our hearts to actually break might be the first step in freeing ourselves from anxiety.

Anxiety is a way of being temporarily absent that almost always turns into a permanent exile. The exile that anxiety creates is most grievously felt in the way we both live in our bodies and don’t live in our bodies at the same time. In order not to feel the full measure of my heartbreak, I refuse to let my body breathe in its own, easy natural way, I refuse to let myself feel I am in the right place at the right time; I refuse almost every invitational aspect of the world and see it only through the inverted telescope of my worries, where everything is made smaller, harder to see and harder to understand. My defence against a painful reality is to live in an unreal body in an unreal, besieged kind of time, and often in an unreal place; a place I don’t care about; I disallow myself the ability to stop and rest and the spacious silence needed for a full, easy, coming to ground in a new understanding.

In an anxious state I actually do not wish to understand, I only wish to worry: and in my worries, everything feels as if it is squeezed through the narrow aperture of my anxious body, causing it to tremble, to constrict and to hide inside that rheumatic constriction. I hurry from one thing to another, never actually landing, never feeling there is enough time, never making time to feel fully what is occurring both inside and outside my body. Anxiety, when I am lost, is often the only merciful way I can find to turn away from the pain the world caused me, is causing me and will cause me.

Anxiety is both my protection and the sure indication of my deepest vulnerabilities, all at the same time. What seems completely wrong with my life, with the world and with the time in which I live, is often my greatest, manufactured, defence against being fully part of this body, this world and this time. What I worry about and fret about for my children’s future is often what keeps me from helping them into that future. What I worry about and what I am anxious about keeps me in an insulated, busy state of mind that stops me feeling the true depth and vulnerability of how much I care, how much I want to make a difference and how much I feel powerless to do it. Anxiety is my temporary ally and my daily saviour from the abiding pain of real heartbreak. I am not anxious because I worry so much as I am anxious because I do not want to feel the full vulnerability of being visible and touchable in a difficult world.

Our anxiety is constantly calibrated by the sense of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, inhabiting one moment while thinking about another, thinking one thing while doing another, trying to live in another abstracted, ideal body while forgetting to eat or breathe in this one. Loss of weight and loss of the breath are two abiding symptoms of anxiety. Gaining weight and breathing in a laboured way are also magnified by the abstractions of anxiety. Anxiety is my way of not fully feeling the vulnerability of my body, and my world.

Constant fretting is my refuge but also, often the source of my loneliness, doubling as it does as a defence by keeping people at a distance. Anxiety begins in helpless worry, and then becomes a means of protection against our own ability to help others, a state which provides me with distance from my real, foundational sorrow, by keeping an equal distance from the grief of others. I worry but other people’s worries do not count.

Anxiety is a way of feeling constantly besieged and therefore allows me to be helpless to do anything about what lies beyond my walls. When I see everything as impinging on my life, I find it hard to have a sense of humour about the fundamentally amusing absurdities of every human life; when I see everything as an ecological threat, I find it difficult to live with the blessings of birdsong or the beauties of a passing cloud scape. When I worry constantly about the imperfections of my relationship, I keep my love at an equally constant distance. Anxiety is my ongoing excuse for not being intimate, anxiety is how I keep what I am worrying about from coming too close, anxiety enables me to stay well clear of my heartache. 

Over time, constant anxiety is a form of amnesia, a forgetting and an absence. Anxiety becomes my beloved abstraction where I can keep myself in suspension, when I am afraid of getting to the bottom of things and allowing myself a true understanding. Emotional immobility is the state in which we find ourselves when we have lost sight of the silent, pivotal centre from which to speak, to take action or to harvest the wisdom of the spacious, the timely and the timeless.

Our vulnerability to constant worry is produced by a dynamic of the mind whose chief evolutionary task is actually to make us more anxious: to worry, to fret, and out of that worry and fret, to get things done, and out of getting things done, to survive; constant anxiety always in the end raises even the tiniest little threat to the level of existential survival. Anxiety makes every little thing a matter of life and death.

The cure for anxiety is almost always found in some kind of radical simplification, a simplification that slowly opens up a very physical, rested experience of timelessness. Often the heart of our simplification is the freeing realisation that we can do nothing about the worry except to let it go. From this place we learn not to leave our worries behind but to consciously worry only for brief necessary periods when worry is needed as a way of paying deeper attention. To briefly, consciously, worry in a way that brings things to a proper harvest of presence is always far more helpful than days of vague anxiety.

One of the greatest gifts we can give to our friends, our partners, our children or our colleagues might be to forsake anxiety: to realise how much we use our worrying as a barrier to our becoming and a protection against real intimacy, real friendship and real engagement with our work. One of our greatest gifts as a provider might be to stop all the worrying about those we are providing for; to provide something else, something that is more difficult to give but something they might actually want—a deeper, more rested, and invitational sense of presence and the gift of timelessness in that presence.

Luckily, all of our great contemplative traditions tell us that the way out of anxiety is always very close and abides just beneath the very surface of our worries, waiting for us to drop down into the body again to a better place. Every meditational tradition of mindfulness in the world tells us that our doorway to freedom is as simple and as close as learning to take the next breath; to take that breath as fully as possible, and then to learn how to give it easily back into the world. In breath and out breath, when taken and when given and when completed without a controlling, worrying thought is an instant doorway to release from anxiety. A mindful easing away from the restless, bullying, fretful mind, into the restful, invitational calmness of easy breathing is always the foundation from which we will re-inhabit the mind in a more spacious, generous, less worrisome way.

Anxiety and all the ways we feel the tremulous symptoms of anxiety tell us just how far away we are from inhabiting a real sense of the timeless. Anxiety is not an answer to a problem we are worrying about but the measure of our distance from the place where the answer lies. Our ability to escape from anxiety is found in our ability to do the simplest thing and to do it well: to breathe and to live easily in our breathing. This truth is too simple for the anxious mind to believe, therefore it is best to breathe in silence first and tell ourselves that we’ll get to curing our anxiety later. Anxiety cannot cure itself, the cure arrives while we are giving ourselves a real sense of rest. Anxiety is often created by trying to remember everything and keep it straight in our harried minds. No wonder then, that the cure for anxiety is found in learning to forget the very sense of self that first felt the fateful need to worry.

From Consolations II by David Whyte. ©2024 David Whyte & Many Rivers Press. All rights reserved. Shared with permission. www.davidwhyte.com.

P.S. David also happens to be good friends with past podcast guest Henry Shukman, one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach Sanbo Zen. If you’d like an extra dose of calm, I recommend checking out Henry’s app, The Way. It has changed my life. I’ve been using it daily, often twice a day, and it’s lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible. For 30 free sessions, just visit thewayapp.com/Tim. No credit card required.

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Robert Rodriguez, The Wizard of Cinema Returns — The “Fear-Forward” Way of Life, How to Overcome Self-Doubt, Learning to Love Limitations, and Counter-Intuitive Parenting That Works (#804)

2025-04-03 22:59:15

“Living is reliving.”
— Robert Rodriguez

Robert Rodriguez (@rodriguez) is a film director, screenwriter, producer, cinematographer, editor, and composer. 

While a student at the University of Texas at Austin in 1991, Rodriguez wrote the script to his first feature film while sequestered at a drug research facility as a paid subject in a clinical experiment. That paycheck covered the cost of shooting his $7,000 film El Mariachi, which won the coveted Audience Award at the 1993 Sundance Film Festival and became the lowest budget movie ever released by a major studio. Rodriguez wrote about these experiences in Rebel Without a Crew, a perennial guide for the independent filmmaker.

Rodriguez went on to write, produce, direct, and edit a series of successful films including Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn, The Faculty, the Spy Kids franchise, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, Frank Miller’s Sin City, and We Can Be Heroes and collaborated with director James Cameron on the film adaptation of Alita: Battle Angel. His films have grossed more than $1.5B at the box office.

In 2000, Rodriguez founded Troublemaker Studios in Austin, Texas. He recently directed the Lady Gaga/Ariana Grande video “Rain on Me” and episodes of The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett and launched Brass Knuckle Films, an investable action film slate. If you’ve ever wanted to pitch Robert Rodriguez a film idea or get profit participation in action films and sequels, he’ll tell you all about it.

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Want to hear the first time Robert Rodriguez was on the show? Listen to our conversation here, in which we discussed journaling as a crucial component of personal and professional life, keeping crew morale high during a project, how applied creativity dissolves the separation between work and play, the legendary financing of El Mariachi, overcoming budgetary and technological constraints, maintaining momentum when lack of resources is no longer a creative driver, and much more.


What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect with Robert Rodriguez:

Twitter | Instagram | Threads | Facebook

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

Books

Companies, Projects, and Platforms

Robert’s Films and Shows

Other Films and Shows

Products

Relevant Resources

People

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:08:19] Recounting what’s happened in the 10 years since Robert’s last appearance on the show.
  • [00:11:23] The freedom of limitations.
  • [00:14:08] Fruit-bearing “failures.”
  • [00:16:09] How Robert stumbled onto his own brand of counterintuitive parenting.
  • [00:18:42] How fan investing for Brass Knuckle Films works.
  • [00:23:59] How to effectively pitch a movie idea.
  • [00:26:55] The time to start your art is now. Aim high.
  • [00:33:00] The value of learning by doing.
  • [00:43:31] The power of labels to elevate or diminish our ambitions.
  • [00:47:51] Why lack of access is a myth.
  • [00:49:08] No human doubts — when not knowing is half the battle.
  • [00:54:25] Fear forward past the confines of the comfort zone.
  • [00:59:02] Interactions with the enigmatic Rick Rubin.
  • [01:01:53] Harnessing the creative spirit: action first, inspiration second.
  • [01:07:00] Living is reliving: why Robert wants you to start journaling.
  • [01:15:38] “Don’t just parent. Partner.”
  • [01:22:47] In defense of what some call nepotism.
  • [01:28:27] Why the double R naming scheme in the Rodriguez household?
  • [01:30:04] Tribe talk.
  • [01:33:38] Robert’s favorite exercise-related life hack: the rock walk.
  • [01:36:15] Parting thoughts.

MORE ROBERT RODRIGUEZ QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“A lot of times, when you can do anything, you can’t do anything.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“Two of my biggest movies came directly from a movie that you would consider a failure. … Sometimes the only way across the river is to slip on the first two rocks.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“You’re not ready for anything life has thrown at you, but you become ready on the spot. Why is it that we think art and life should not be the same?”
— Robert Rodriguez

“You used to ask me, ‘How do you get so much done?’ It’s like I set the bridge on fire and then I run across. Otherwise, it’s not enough at stake. If you have a way out … you’ll take the escape route.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“They say knowing is half the battle. What’s the other half? Not knowing. I think that’s more important. That’s where the magic is. You don’t know what the other half is.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“Creative spirit … doesn’t have hands. It’s waiting for you to get off your ass and pick up the pen, and then it can help take over. … That’s why I say always take action. Don’t wait to be inspired. Action first, inspiration second.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“Living is reliving.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“Don’t just parent; partner.”
— Robert Rodriguez

“I don’t take any job, any assignment, unless it’s going to involve my children, because life is so good that way. You’re checking all the boxes. You’re preparing them for life. You’re learning from them, they’re learning from you, and it’s family time.”
— Robert Rodriguez

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Craig Mod Returns — Epic Walks in Japan, The Art of Slowness, Digital Detox, Publishing “Impossible” Books, and Choosing Beauty Over Scale (#803)

2025-03-28 23:17:44

“I would finish every day on these walks, get in bed, and just feel that was the fullest possible way I could have experienced that day. Given the cards dealt to me of this day, there was no fuller version of this day.”
— Craig Mod

As promised, welcome to round 2 with Craig Mod!

Craig Mod is a writer, photographer, and walker living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan. He is the author of Things Become Other Things and Kissa by Kissa. He also writes the newsletters Roden and Ridgeline and has contributed to The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, and more. 

He’s walked thousands of miles across Japan, and since 2016, he has been co-running “Walk and Talks” with Kevin Kelly in various places around the world: the Cotswolds, Northern Thailand, walking across Bali, Southern China, Japan, Spain (Portuguese and French Caminos), and more. He’s a MacDowell fellow, Virginia Center for Creative Arts fellow, and Ragdale fellow.

In 2023 he wrote an impassioned recommendation of Morioka, Japan, to The New York Times, prompting the paper to rank the city number two (behind London) for “Places to Visit in 2023,” turning Mod into a minor celebrity. He sat for interviews with some forty or fifty newspapers and TV shows, trying to explain the goodness of a city like Morioka to people for whom the goodness is so self-evident that it has become invisible. This whole media dance culminated in his going on a two-­day walk around Morioka with one of Japan’s biggest TV stars: the seventy-­nine-­year-old, sunglasses-­wearing Tamori -­san, who was lovely (and very tiny!). The response—a total heartfelt reverence for the avuncular Tamori—from people on the street (“Good morning, Tamori -­san!,” yelled construction workers from atop their scaffolding) made Mod feel like he was walking with John Lennon. Mod’s moment of celebrity was mercifully short-lived. Nobody recognizes him anymore when he walks around town.

Please enjoy!

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Want to hear round one of this conversation with Craig Mod? Listen here as we discuss Craig’s journey from a post-industrial Connecticut town to Japan, advice for adults who want to pick up the Japanese language, bizarre homestay stories, struggles with spirits of sauce and the supernatural, and much more.


What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect with Craig Mod:

Website | Bluesky | Instagram | YouTube | Roden (Monthly Newsletter) | Ridgeline (Weekly Newsletter)

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

Books and Written Works

Movies and TV Shows

People

  • Wim Wenders: German filmmaker (Perfect Days, Tokyo-Ga).
  • Yasujirō Ozu: Influential Japanese filmmaker known for quiet family dramas, contemporary of Kurosawa.
  • Akira Kurosawa: Famous Japanese filmmaker (Seven Samurai).
  • Matsuo Bashō: Most famous poet of the Edo period in Japan, known for haiku and his travelogue Oku no Hosomichi.
  • John McBride: Craig Mod’s older mentor, former Monbukagakusho scholar, CEO of Sky TV, tea ceremony expert, accomplished walker, fluent in high-level Japanese. Huge influence on Craig’s walking and interaction style.
  • Brad Towle: Canadian man on the JET program in Tanabe City, key figure in promoting the Nakahechi trail in English.
  • Rupert Murdoch: Mentioned as founder connected to Sky TV.
  • Masayoshi Son: CEO of SoftBank, mentioned as an acquaintance of John McBride.
  • David Spector: Mentioned as an example of a gaijin tarento (foreign celebrity) in Japan during the ’90s.
  • Kevin Kelly: Writer, co-founder of Wired, friend and walking partner of Craig Mod (Walk & Talks). Encouraged Craig in various ventures.
  • Dan Rubin: Photographer friend who walked Kumano Kodo with Craig and co-created a photo book.
  • Hugh Howey: Author (Silo series/Wool), walked Kumano Kodo with Craig and Kevin Kelly.
  • Anne Lamott: Author of Bird by Bird.
  • Noah Kagan: Friend of Tim Ferriss, mentioned regarding skepticism about chasing scale.
  • gray318 (Jon Gray): Designer (known for Zadie Smith covers) who provided feedback to Craig.
  • Zadie Smith: Author whose book covers Jon Gray designed.
  • Bryan: Craig Mod’s childhood best friend who was murdered; a central figure in the book Things Become Other Things.
  • Terry Gross: Host of NPR’s “Fresh Air,” mentioned as a platform often requiring traditional publisher backing.
  • Andy Ward: Publisher/President of Random House, editor of George Saunders, involved in acquiring Craig’s book.
  • George Saunders: Author admired by Craig Mod, edited by Andy Ward.
  • Molly Turpin: Craig Mod’s editor at Random House for Things Become Other Things.
  • Brandon Sanderson: Author mentioned regarding securing specific book rights (leather-bound editions).
  • Gideon Lewis-Kraus: Writer mentioned for an article on Korea’s declining birthrate.
  • Tamori (Tamori-san): Extremely famous, long-running Japanese TV celebrity who did a walking special in Morioka with Craig Mod.
  • Neil Strauss: Writer, mentioned as a user of the Freedom software.
  • Jack Kornfield: Meditation teacher and author who knows a thing or two about self-compassion.
  • David Mitchell: Author (Cloud Atlas, etc.), admired Craig’s book Things Become Other Things and provided a blurb/email.

Places

Walks, Routes, and Trails

  • Oku no Hosomichi: Famous trail/journey undertaken by Bashō, later walked by John McBride.
  • Tōkaidō: Major historical road connecting Edo (Tokyo) and Kyoto along the coast. Also the name of a Shinkansen line. Walked by John McBride, Craig Mod.
  • Shikoku Pilgrimage: Route around Shikoku island, walked by John McBride.
  • Kumano Kodo: Network of pilgrimage trails on the Kii Peninsula, UNESCO World Heritage site. Includes specific trails: Kohechi, Nakahechi, Ohechi, Iseji, Omine Okugake Michi.
  • Camino de Santiago: Famous pilgrimage trail in Spain, sister trail to Kumano Kodo, UNESCO site. Walked by Craig.
  • Dewa Sanzan: Pilgrimage route involving three mountains in Yamagata.
  • Nakasendo: Major historical inland road connecting Edo (Tokyo) and Kyoto through the mountains. Walked extensively by Craig.
  • Hime Kaidō: “Princess Route,” a detour on the Tōkaidō.
  • Hagi Ōkan: Two-day walk connecting Yamaguchi City and Hagi City.
  • Wainwright Coast to Coast: Walk across Northern England from the Lake District.
  • Cotswold Way: Walk in England, done twice by Craig with Kevin Kelly’s groups.

Institutions, Organizations, Companies, Software, and Platforms

  • Tokyo Toilet: Public art/infrastructure project in Tokyo, possible inspiration for Perfect Days.
  • Monbukagakusho (MEXT): Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology; offered scholarships (John McBride was a recipient).
  • UNESCO: United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. Designated Kumano Kodo and Camino de Santiago as World Heritage Pilgrimage trails.
  • (Japan Exchange and Teaching Program (JET): Program placing foreign nationals (often as English teachers) in Japan, usually outside major cities. Brad participated.
  • Sky TV: Satellite television network; John McBride was CEO in Japan.
  • SoftBank: Japanese multinational conglomerate; John McBride knew CEO Son-san.
  • Kickstarter: Crowdfunding platform used for Art Space Tokyo reprint.
  • Apple TV: Streaming platform airing the Silo adaptation.
  • Craig Mod Membership Program: Craig’s community funding his work, discussed extensively regarding its rules and philosophy.
  • Wired Magazine: Publication that published Craig’s essay.
  • Freedom (.to): Website blocking software used by Craig and Neil Strauss.
  • Penguin Random House: Major publishing house that published Things Become Other Things.
  • Mack Press: UK-based photo book publisher mentioned for context on typical art book print runs.
  • Ancestry.com: DNA testing and genealogy company where Craig matched with his birth mother.
  • 23andMe: DNA testing company Craig initially used.
  • Instagram: Social media platform mentioned re: Teemus Photo.
  • Teemusphoto.com: Website recommended for nighttime Japan photography.
  • YouTube: Video platform.
  • Substack: Newsletter/publishing platform.
  • Memberful: Membership software platform.
  • Patreon: Membership/creator funding platform.
  • SMS Experiment Tool: Custom one-to-many SMS tool Craig built for his walk.
  • iOS Shortcuts / Siri: Apple features used by Craig for voice dictation while walking.
  • Shopify: E-commerce platform used by Craig for Craigstarter.
  • Craigstarter: Craig’s self-built Kickstarter clone.
  • Google Translate: Mentioned by Tim Ferriss as helpful for non-Japanese speakers.

Concepts

  • Six-Tatami-Mat Room: A small traditional Japanese room size, Craig lived in one for years. Used as a visual reference via Perfect Days.
  • Tatami Mat: Traditional Japanese flooring mat, used historically as a unit for room size.
  • Syncretism: The blending or coexistence of different religions/beliefs, specifically Shinto and Buddhism in Japan.
  • Meiji Restoration: Historical period (~1868 onward) marking the end of the Shogunate, restoration of imperial rule, modernization, and forced separation of Shinto and Buddhism.
  • Shukubo: The practice of staying overnight at a Buddhist temple.
  • Shogunate / Daimyo: Feudal military government / feudal lords in Japan.
  • Tea Ceremony (Chanoyu): Traditional Japanese cultural activity involving the preparation and presentation of matcha; practiced extensively by John McBride.
  • Keigo: Japanese polite language, involving different levels of respect and humility.
  • Gaijin Tarento: Foreign celebrities or personalities featured in Japanese media.
  • Craig’s Walking Rules: Craig’s personal rules for his long walks (no news/social media, cultivate boredom, don’t teleport/distract, say hello, arbitrary photo goals, pre-book logistics).
  • Vipassana Retreat: Silent meditation retreat focused on observing reality as it is; Craig attended a 10-day retreat.
  • Shugyo: Ascetic spiritual training, often involving physical hardship.
  • Yamabushi: Japanese mountain ascetics.
  • Bobbing Consciousness: Craig’s term for the feeling achieved after many days of walking long distances.
  • Sankin-kōtai: Edo-period policy requiring daimyo to spend alternate years in Edo, necessitating road infrastructure like the Nakasendo and Tōkaidō.
  • Shōshika Mondai: Societal issue of declining birthrates in Japan.
  • Kōreika Shakai: Societal issue of an aging population in Japan.
  • Kissaten: Traditional, often Showa-era, Japanese coffee shops/cafes.
  • Shōwa Era: Period of Japanese history from 1926-1989.
  • Pizza Toast: Simple dish often served in kissaten (toast with tomato sauce, cheese, etc.).
  • Napolitan Spaghetti: Simple pasta dish often served in kissaten (spaghetti with ketchup-based sauce).
  • Product-Market Fit (PMF): Business concept regarding a product satisfying market demand.
  • Jeffersonian Dinner: Dinner format with a single group conversation, used on the Walk & Talks.
  • Shinto: Indigenous Japanese religion/spirituality.
  • Buddhism: Religion practiced widely in Japan.
  • Konbini: Japanese convenience store.
  • Haiku: Japanese poetic form associated with Bashō.

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:07:25] More than a decade of Perfect Days in a six-tatami mat room.
  • [00:10:44] The first steps of Craig’s huge walks: exploring Tokyo’s nightlife.
  • [00:17:33] Discovering pilgrimage trails with John McBride.
  • [00:22:49] What’s so appealing about pilgrimage trails?
  • [00:31:25] Learning politeness and language in Japan.
  • [00:40:09] An invitation from Kevin Kelly.
  • [00:41:23] The birth of a photo book.
  • [00:42:50] The big solo walks begin.
  • [00:43:53] Launching a membership program.
  • [00:44:58] The Nakasendō experience.
  • [00:50:01] Craig’s rules for walking.
  • [00:51:04] The Vipassana influence.
  • [01:00:43] Logistics of walking in Japan.
  • [01:09:03] Depopulation and pizza toast.
  • [01:13:42] How Kissa by Kissa came to be (and its unexpected success).
  • [01:16:34] Kicking off Craigstarter.
  • [01:17:47] The pièce de résistance membership strategy.
  • [01:18:41] Finding product-market fit.
  • [01:19:12] The importance of sustainable scale.
  • [01:19:50] Membership community rules.
  • [01:27:15] Navigating the publishing world.
  • [01:38:37] Promoting midsize cities in Japan as a wild and strange celebrity.
  • [01:52:50] The economic and cultural effects of this promotion.
  • [01:54:46] Hidden gems and walks in Japan.
  • [01:56:56] Walking beyond Japan.
  • [01:59:47] Craig was a Mod before you was a mod.
  • [02:00:47] How Craig reconnected with his birth family.
  • [02:19:32] Reflections and future plans.
  • [02:23:00] Parting thoughts.

MORE CRAIG MOD QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“I would finish every day on these walks, get in bed, and just feel that was the fullest possible way I could have experienced that day. Given the cards dealt to me of this day, there was no fuller version of this day.”
— Craig Mod

“I love my scale because it’s sustainable. It gives me total creative freedom.”
— Craig Mod

“If you spend 30 days doing that physical activity every day to that degree, your body changes. You become what I call a bobbing consciousness. By day 20, 25 on the road where you’re walking 20, 30, 40k, your legs are just so powerful.”
— Craig Mod

“One of the weirdest things about being a contemporary human is, first of all, we’re never bored because we always have this stupid Black Mirror slab in our pocket that’s always distracting us with some other dopamine hit.”
— Craig Mod

The post Craig Mod Returns — Epic Walks in Japan, The Art of Slowness, Digital Detox, Publishing “Impossible” Books, and Choosing Beauty Over Scale (#803) appeared first on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss.

Craig Mod — The Real Japan, Cheap Apartments in Tokyo, Productive Side Quests, Creative Retreats, Buying Future Freedom, and Being Possessed by Spirits (#802)

2025-03-27 22:00:49

“Part of what was great about Japan was that as soon as I landed, I felt a few things. One was society was taking care of people. I was walking past so many people every day in the street who were so much better taken care of than where I came from.”

— Craig Mod

Craig Mod is a writer, photographer, and walker living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan. He is the author of Things Become Other Things and Kissa by Kissa. He also writes the newsletters Roden and Ridgeline and has contributed to The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, and more. 

He’s walked thousands of miles across Japan, and since 2016, he has been co-running “Walk and Talks” with Kevin Kelly in various places around the world: the Cotswolds, Northern Thailand, walking across Bali, Southern China, Japan, Spain (Portuguese and French Caminos), and more. He’s a MacDowell fellow, Virginia Center for Creative Arts fellow, and Ragdale fellow.

In 2023 he wrote an impassioned recommendation of Morioka, Japan, to The New York Times, prompting the paper to rank the city number two (behind London) for “Places to Visit in 2023,” turning Mod into a minor celebrity. He sat for interviews with some forty or fifty newspapers and TV shows, trying to explain the goodness of a city like Morioka to people for whom the goodness is so self-evident that it has become invisible. This whole media dance culminated in his going on a two-­day walk around Morioka with one of Japan’s biggest TV stars: the seventy-­nine-­year-old, sunglasses-­wearing Tamori -­san, who was lovely (and very tiny!). The response—a total heartfelt reverence for the avuncular Tamori—from people on the street (“Good morning, Tamori -­san!,” yelled construction workers from atop their scaffolding) made Mod feel like he was walking with John Lennon. Mod’s moment of celebrity was mercifully short-lived. Nobody recognizes him anymore when he walks around town.

Please enjoy!

Listen to the episode on Apple PodcastsSpotifyOvercastPodcast AddictPocket CastsCastboxYouTube MusicAmazon MusicAudible, or on your favorite podcast platform. The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect with Craig Mod:

Website | Bluesky | Instagram | Roden (Monthly Newsletter) | Ridgeline (Weekly Newsletter)

Books and Written Works

People

Movies and TV Shows

Institutions, Organizations, and Companies

Concepts and Technologies

Places

Relevant Resources

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:06:49] What would make this a worthwhile conversation?
  • [00:09:14] How Craig and I first met.
  • [00:11:06] Growing up in a post-industrial Connecticut town.
  • [00:13:10] The kindness of a tech-savvy stranger.
  • [00:14:02] IRC, ANSI art scene, and making connections in the Internet’s early days.
  • [00:15:48] From adoption to exploring hometown escape options.
  • [00:18:28] Driving cross-country to a Silicon Valley internship.
  • [00:20:05] Pursuing the desire to live abroad.
  • [00:22:14] Attending Waseda University in Japan at age 19.
  • [00:23:34] Seduced by the Ivy League: A momentary return to the States for a UPenn education.
  • [00:24:52] Craig’s advice for adults who want to pick up the Japanese language.
  • [00:29:04] Bizarre homestay experiences.
  • [00:41:04] How Craig wound up back in Japan to work in publishing.
  • [00:42:55] Developing design sensibilities at UPenn with Sharka Hyland and Joshua Mosley.
  • [00:47:30] Craig’s color blindness and its influence on his design aesthetic.
  • [00:49:54] Without a time machine, Craig lives vicariously through his daughter’s opportunities.
  • [00:51:36] Struggling with spirits of sauce and the supernatural .
  • [00:56:02] A Tibetan dream reader and lost love.
  • [00:59:53] Craig’s journey to self-worth: Running, charging more for work, and building confidence.
  • [01:01:51] The transformative experience of climbing to Annapurna Base Camp in Nepal.
  • [01:04:40] Writing a camera review that went viral and paid rent for two years.
  • [01:10:33] The article that changed Craig’s life.
  • [01:16:39] The enduring power of physical books in the digital age.
  • [01:21:06] How being adopted prepared Craig for life as an outsider no matter where he hangs his hat.
  • [01:25:25] Craig’s time at Flipboard.
  • [01:29:24] Writing in hotel rooms on weekends.
  • [01:30:14] Meeting Kevin Kelly and landing a MacDowell writing residency.
  • [01:32:51] Bridges burned and discoveries made at MacDowell.
  • [01:40:16] Justifying a round two.
  • [01:41:17] Craig’s advice for aspiring creatives.
  • [01:45:12] Books Craig has reread multiple times.
  • [01:49:43] The story behind Craig’s new book, Things Become Other Things.
  • [02:01:47] Craig’s Special Projects membership program.
  • [02:04:08] In praise of unexpected corners.
  • [02:06:25] Lessons learned from the Sally Mann documentary.
  • [02:07:34] Parting thoughts and a preview of round two (coming later this week).

MORE CRAIG MOD QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“As an adopted person, I think my entire life is defined by that flailing. You just don’t feel like you belong anywhere.”
— Craig Mod

“In general, language learning is easier if you have a musical background. And I grew up all through my teens obsessively playing drums, just drumming, drumming, drumming, playing jazz, playing classical, playing in big band orchestras, playing everything.”
— Craig Mod

“Part of what was great about Japan was that as soon as I landed, I felt a few things. One was society was taking care of people. I was walking past so many people every day in the street who were so much better taken care of than where I came from.”
— Craig Mod

“The amount of scarcity I felt as an adult in my twenties is just shocking. It was this fathomless sense of scarcity, like the money’s not going to be there, the love isn’t going to be there, the support isn’t going to be there. And then when I lost her, I was like, I’m never going to have anyone who will ever love me like this person loved me, and I’m never going to be able to create like I created with this person. And I had to start proving to myself that that wasn’t true.”
— Craig Mod

“There’s a huge safety of being in a place that can never throw you away because you’re never going to be part of the thing.”
— Craig Mod

“It is just undeniable that a fullness of life that I find is found through the writing and who that connects me with and the adventures it brings me on.”
— Craig Mod

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Ev Williams — The Art of Pivoting (e.g., Odeo to Twitter), Strategic Quitting, The Dangers of Premature Scaling, Must-Read Books, and More (#800)

2025-03-20 21:37:44

“You can set a goal to run a marathon, and you can download a training regime, and you can go run the marathon. You can’t do that to invent the computer or Twitter or create amazing art. You can’t plot it. And to the extent you try to plot it, you shoot yourself in the foot because you cut off the possibilities that lie before you.”

— Ev Williams

Ev Williams (@ev) is the co-founder and chairman of Mozi, a new social network that helps you connect in person with the people you care about. Over the past 25 years, Ev has co-founded several companies that have helped shape the modern internet—including Blogger, Medium, and Twitter. Ev is also the co-founder of Obvious Ventures, an investment firm that focuses on world-positive companies addressing major systemic problems. Ev grew up on a farm in Clarks, Nebraska, has two sons, and lives mostly in the Bay Area.

This episode was recorded live at Diggnation (diggnation.show), where digg.com was relaunched. Digg was recently acquired by its original founder, my friend Kevin Rose, and reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian, and they invited me along for all the fun and surprises as they celebrated the relaunch. Go to digg.com and sign up to get early access when invites go out.

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Ev Williams — The Art of Pivoting (e.g., Odeo to Twitter), Strategic Quitting, The Dangers of Premature Scaling, Must-Read Books, and More

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What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect with Ev Williams:

Obvious Ventures | Twitter | Medium | Instagram | Threads | LinkedIn

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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SHOW NOTES

  • [00:05:35] Kevin Rose starts the party like it’s 2004.
  • [00:07:27] Ev’s first internet product.
  • [00:08:54] How technology became social for Ev.
  • [00:10:52] The simple idea behind Mozi.
  • [00:12:05] Strategic quitting vs. sunk-cost perseverance.
  • [00:18:36] How Odeo begat Twitter.
  • [00:22:01] Twitter’s $11,000 SXSW 2007 inflection point.
  • [00:23:45] Ev’s hopes for Mozi’s evolution.
  • [00:25:02] Favorite books and information inputs.
  • [00:30:45] Raising a generation to co-exist with AI.
  • [00:33:12] Ev’s billboard.
  • [00:35:56] How Ev learned to manage his feelings.
  • [00:37:16] Facing strangers as an introvert with the Hoffman Process.
  • [00:39:57] Recently adopted habits that have galvanized positive change.
  • [00:42:44] The silver lining of being fired from Twitter.
  • [00:45:18] Contemplating how the universe works with The One by Heinrich Päs.
  • [00:47:04] How Ev stocks his reading list arsenal.
  • [00:50:26] Big thoughts on a Medium regret.
  • [00:52:47] Resisting the urge to bloat Mozi with superfluous features.
  • [00:55:40] How Mozi balances privacy with utility.
  • [00:57:40] Parting thoughts.

MORE EV WILLIAMS QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“You can set a goal to run a marathon, and you can download a training regime, and you can go run the marathon. You can’t do that to invent the computer or Twitter or create amazing art. You can’t plot it. And to the extent you try to plot it, you shoot yourself in the foot because you cut off the possibilities that lie before you.”
— Ev Williams

“The most creative force in the world is clearly nature, and it has no plan. It just tries shit.”
— Ev Williams

“I saw companies—in particular, products—as a creative process. It’s like writing a book or painting a painting: you have to figure it out as you go. You don’t have it fully baked in your head from day one.”
— Ev Williams

“Remember when social used to mean getting together in real life, getting to know people? And now social is just this catchall word that kind of just means the internet.”
— Ev Williams

“I think humans, fundamentally, were wired to be deeply social, but that wiring was way before screens. And that wiring to be social, it didn’t happen in public. So Mozi is a very simple idea where we said, ‘Well, what would an actual social network look like?’ That’s what we’re building.”
— Ev Williams

“I think this idea of it’s okay to quit is underappreciated.”
— Ev Williams

“You don’t know what else there is until you clear your attention away from the thing that you’ve been struggling with.”
— Ev Williams

“Creative ideation is useful no matter what you do, ever.”
— Ev Williams

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