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A Boring Archetype

2026-02-25 19:44:23

Over the last year I met a few incredibly boring people who all reminded me very strongly of each other. This got me thinking: taxonomically, what defines this particular boring archetype? In some sense the answer is just "not reading the room" – my definition of boring is "someone who talks at me, at length, without listening to me, and indifferent to my disinterest." But what are the more specific components?

Drone-y delivery. The delivery is important because it must never be clear to the listener when a story is going to end, and the listener must never really be situated in the story: they should be unsure moment-to-moment where in the arc of the story they are. This generates a kind of internal frustration beyond the pain of listening to someone monologue in general. The effect is achievable through a "classically boring" monotone, but it's also possible through a kind of Scandinavian-style lilt where you're just constantly uncertain where you are in a sentence or paragraph.

Quoted Speech. I'm not sure why this is such a commonality, but these people always insert extensive quoted speech into what they're saying, in a way that I rarely hear from anybody else. E.g. "So then Jo says, I think it's time to go to the bus, and I say, Yes you're probably right, and she says But we're not going to make it unless we run, and I said You are so right Jo, it's five minutes away and we're six minutes away from it."

I guess the meta-reason this is boring is because they could easily have synthesized this information ("So then we ran for the bus"), and the exact words someone used are rarely interesting unless they're really excellent words, so using this much quoted speech is normally an embodiment of "enjoying the sound of one's own voice + not really caring about the listener's experience," hence boring. But it's still striking to me that extensive reported speech is so prevalent in the boring community and rare outside it (though it's possible that interesting people are doing it too, but I fail to notice that because it makes sense in context and is interesting).

Fractal stories. This one I will really struggle to render, but I think it might be key. Every one of these people has a super-human ability to nest stories inside other stories, "My cousin Larry used to live near Tucson – his daughter went to school with Amanda Grayson, who was really quite short, she could barely reach over the counter at the grocery store, she used to have to shout up from behind the counter it's me, Amanda, is anyone there?, and..."

As I said, it's incredibly hard to render this pattern accurately but I think it might be the most important part of this unique archetype. I have met other boring people who are boring in other ways, but to me this archetype is DEFINED by the incredible ability to contain infinite stories within each of their stories. None of the stories have satisfying or interesting conclusions, and as a listener you're constantly in a state of uncertainty and anxiety since you're constantly in the middle of a series of open loops (which of course is compounded by patented Drone-y Delivery). The speaker flows through an infinite list of opened parentheses, occasionally closing some of them but always leaving more still open, giving their speech a remarkable texture and (of course) making it entirely uncompilable for the listener.

I think the difficulty of rendering this speaking style shows what a talent this is: like being a talk radio host, people think "I could do that!" but you cannot, it takes a kind of genius/and or extensive practice.


NOTE WELL: I am extremely worried that publishing this might put the exact wrong idea in the exact wrong people's heads, i.e. I worry that some not-boring people will read this and think I'm talking about them because e.g. they occasionally tell nested stories, or occasionally quote someone else's speech.

The main things I want to say to this are 1) if you're worried it's probably not about you, because the people who do this don't seem to have any concern at all about whether other people are interested in what they're saying, and 2) it's impossible to be boring in this way if you take up 1/n of the conversational space in an n person conversation.

I had a dear friend once who thought of himself as boring, and I was like "...clearly you're not?" Basically, from the inside he felt like he rarely had anything interesting to say, but then if he didn't have interesting things to say he didn't say them, so from outside he seemed a bit quiet, but never boring.

Meanwhile the most boring people I know consistently take up a disproportionate share of talking-space, they do not stop talking when other people try to talk, and for reasons quite beyond me seem to think everyone wants to hear them talking all the time – I assume their conceptualization of this is somehow completely orthogonal, they think they're the life of the party or something, that if they didn't tell their marvelous stories then everyone else would get bored. Essentially, being boring is a power move and that is actually one of the reasons I hate it. Point being: if you listen to other people and let them talk a roughly equal amount as you do, this post is not about you.

Bargains For Me

2026-02-23 19:11:43

If you're hunting for a new apartment in a place like New York City, you quickly come to feel in your bones that the market is pretty efficient. You want a low price for a large space and to be right near the subway, and so does everybody else, so that kind of apartment is not available on the open market: if a place is large and cheap then it's far from transit, and if it's cheap and near transit then it's small, and if it's cheap and large and near transit then there is something horrifically wrong with it (like the building I looked at which had deafening all-day construction noise outside, and a strangely optimistic realtor who told me I could solve this by buying a white noise machine). As a dear friend of the blog likes to say, bargains are bargains for a reason.

As a result, at some point in the apartment-hunt, the smart thing to do is start asking not "what would I ideally like in an apartment?," but "what do I care about less than other people do."

If you realise that you're out at work all day and won't get to see the view anyway, you can get a place with a bad view that is therefore better on size/cost/location than it would be otherwise.

Or if you don't care about "luxury building" amenities, like having a doorman or an in-building gym, you can get a better price by looking at buildings without those things. (I actively prefer not-having a doorman, for inverse Confucian reasons).

Eventually, you'll visit an apartment and think: ok, I understand why this place is priced lower than the size and location imply, and the thing that makes it worth less on the market is not as big of an issue for me as for the average renter, so this place is a bargain for me.

(There is still a decent chance you're about to get a terrible deal for reasons you didn't understand, and then spend the next year of your life regretting it, but at least there's some chance you're getting a bargain on your own terms).

Here's the point where I say something that takes economic principles and applies them to social life, to which some % of people will say "oh yes of course that makes sense," and another % of people will say "this is monstrous and you should be banned from society."

Namely: the same applies to people.

There is not an efficient market in friends or lovers, but there is some kind of market and some amount of efficiency. "Everyone" wants a tall and rich and handsome husband, so mostly it's the same deal as the apartments: if you meet a man who's tall and rich he won't be handsome, if he's rich and handsome he won't be tall, and if he's all three then there's something else horrifically wrong with him (e.g. he's a blogger).

The same goes with friendships. There are some traits that rub a lot of people up the wrong way, but are not (I'd argue) necessary friendship deal-breakers – for example, arrogance. Some arrogant people are still smart and interesting, they're just annoying and pompous about it. If you're unusually unbothered by arrogance, you can get a great friend "at a discount" – they have more time for you because other people don't want to hang out with them, so you get a great and interesting friend at a bargain for you.

How Many Friends Should You Break Up With?

2026-02-18 19:54:20

Occasionally I ask people how many friends they've "broken up with" in their lives – as in, how many people have they explicitly ended a friendship with?

(I think we've all had friends who we were close with & gradually lost touch with, but if you still consider them friends-in-absentia then I'm not counting those).

Obviously if I met someone and they said "yeah I've alienated every friend I ever had in my life", I would be pretty concerned about them.

But equally if I met someone who said they'd never ended a single friendship, I'm not sure (in most cases) I'd believe that's a good thing?

Over the year's I've had a few (former) friends who behaved really badly towards either myself or other people. And I could have stayed friends with those people by tolerating their behaviours, and in most cases it would have been easier to. But I think it would also be worse.

Like many such questions, there's no ideal answer in the abstract – it partly depends on luck, and partly on how many friends you have in general, and partly on how early in life you developed good judgment about other people. Still, the question interests me because I rarely know what answer to expect, or what exactly that answer means.

Why Are We Like This?

2026-02-16 19:11:25

Often I'll meet someone who (for example) is footloose and fancy-free, and when asked to reflect on that will attribute it (say) to having parents who moved countries a lot as a kid, and therefore never really settling down, and therefore now (as an adult) being very unattached to things.

And this makes sense as a story, but it also strikes me that the opposite story would equally make sense: your parents moved around a lot, and therefore as an adult you got married and bought a house and stayed in the same place for the rest of your life.

And therefore to me it seems like the "real" cause for this person's personality is actually something else: something about this person made them react to the childhood-moving by becoming footloose, instead of by becoming stationary, and really that's the interesting part of the story.

Many (most?) of the stories people tell about themselves have this format to me:

Why are you so rule-bound and studious? "Because my parents were very strict." Ok, but surely other people have reacted to the same kinds of rule-boundness by becoming wild and rebellious?

Why do you think you care so much about fairness? "Because I experienced great unfairness in life." Ok, but some people experience unfairness and respond by thinking "screw it, I guess it's a dog-eat-dog world so I'm gonna go eat the other dogs".

I've never been much of a life story guy – I am illegible to my own eyes, I cannot explain Why I Am Like This even to myself, and this causality-attribution issue is one of my core complaints: I don't think we know why we are how we are, and the stories people tell about it are largely unconvincing to me.

Sometimes I think it's Bad to be so non-narrative, that people are happier when they have a coherent life story whether or not it's true, and would be better off ignoring the question I ask here. If so: sorry!

Blame The System

2026-02-13 19:46:10

First, a caveat: if you think you've spotted a noble lie that seems to work for people, such that possibly if everyone knew the truth we'd all be worse off, should you write a blogpost about it?

I don't fully know if you should, but I am fundamentally a thought-gossip and if I think of an idea I just want to tell everyone, ruat cælum. So here you go.

I think a lot of typologies and systems (such as attachment theory, enneagram, astrology and so on) basically function to allow people whose relationship has soured to attempt a "reset" while blaming neither party.

If Alice and Bob have been fighting, and they've both dug their heels in, and they want to un-dig themselves, but that would mean admitting one (or more) of them is wrong.... it's so much easier to not to.

But then suppose Alice reads a book about how everyone (conversationally) is either a tardigrade or a barnacle, and tardigrades and barnacles often misunderstand each other because of their different world-models, but neither is fundamentally wrong, and Alice is a tardigrade and Bob is a barnacle.... well, suddenly we have a way to reset the conflict without either party admitting error.

This doesn't even mean that the system or typology is entirely pointless or arbitrary: in theory, it could also be pointing at a real difference in people's models of the world, of which there are many. But that isn't strictly necessary, the typology can be trivial or even false, so long as it gives everyone an excuse to forgive and forget, and try once more to make the perilous journey across the seas to another soul.

(Happy Valentines day everyone!)

Some Videos That Get Fed Me

2026-02-11 19:34:27

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One thing I think is weird about modernity is that we each live in our own algorithmic bubbles and I have no idea what anyone else is watching. So I thought it would be fun to just... share the shortform video channels that get fed me the most.

2BigLugs

I can only describe this as borscht belt humour, but in Irish: a young guy does a series of comedy skits with his parents, with the sequence usually being 1) son asks a question, 2) dad gives a stupid answer, 3) son makes a stupid pun, 4) dad's response insults mum, 5) mum exasperatedly shouts the dad's name (CATHAL KELLY!!) from offscreen. I don't know what to tell you, there's a system and it works.

In the early videos the mum never appeared on camera, but recently she's relented to being onscreen, and I find that oddly sweet and touching.

I Am Yoshi 2.0

A young Japanese guy sings and dances to his anthem about The Pain Of Discipline Or The Pain Of Regret, encouraging you to choose the former.

He's not technically "good" at any of one of the sing/dance/write components, but somehow the package is extremely charming.

The algorithm feeds me ~infinite variations of the above, just him singing and dancing to these little motivational snippets against different backgrounds. Why? Who knows, I'll still watch it.

Tigran Gertz

A bunch of landscapers doing various cute / kind / stupid video-jokes about 1) life on the worksite and/or 2) how much they love each other.

I'm a little sad to realise now that the channel is owned by their boss and they might be doing it under duress, which makes it much less cute.

Kevin Langue

This channel is pretty successful now, and they're definitely investing a ton of time and effort to develop short clips and get chosen by the algorithm, so there's a weird three-way relationship now between the algorithm and the algorithm-gamers and me. But hey, they're good at what they do.

I think the trick to this show is that the guys genuinely seem to like each other, and are comfortable making fun of each other & being made fun of – actual chemistry is so hard to fake, and so most corporate-run shows where the hosts didn't choose each other don't work. Of all the shortform clips I've been fed, this is the only one that has led me to wasting hours of this brief and precious life watching longform videos, so... well done Kevin & co I suppose?


Looking at this list, what strikes me is how inexplicable the algorithm still feels to me, and how hard it is for me to believe that THIS is the material that is truly optimized to keep me watching.

If you ask my conscious brain (non-subconscious brain? Base-conscious brain?) I would say I like each of these channels but don't love them. I also would have thought that more variety would be more interesting, and yet The Algorithm seems convinced that most of the time the next thing to feed me is one of a small handful of repetitive channels. And incredibly well-paid people are spending their lives building addictive algorithms, and presumably they (the algorithms, if not the people) know me better than I know myself?

That said, one of the weird parts of algoland is that they're not trying to make you happy, exactly, they're just trying to keep you watching. Maybe the things that keep me watching are more mediocre than the things I'd be excited about? Who knows, who knows.